One Moment that Captures It

[javadoc]

False start on the center. And not any center. Macky, 3rd year starter, student of the game. Danger, Will Robinson.

From an outsider's perspective, it sure looks like Marrone rode off to the NFL on the shoulders of someone else's QB recruit, and left the cupboard bare after 4 years of his own efforts.

And Hunt is a knucklehead for getting himself suspended, and missing an entire Spring practice.

I hope we recruit 10 QB's this year and fine one who can play at the college level.

 

[cuseguy]

Not sure the cupboard is bare. We're as deep and talented at some positions as we've been in years.


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[GoSU96]

False start on the center. And not any center. Macky, 3rd year starter, student of the game. Danger, Will Robinson.

From an outsider's perspective, it sure looks like Marrone rode off to the NFL on the shoulders of someone else's QB recruit, and left the cupboard bare after 4 years of his own efforts.

And Hunt is a knucklehead for getting himself suspended, and missing an entire Spring practice.

I hope we recruit 10 QB's this year and fine one who can play at the college level.

I guess you have forgotten where this program has come from. It hasn't been in a position to instant upgrade. It's had to beat the bushes, work the waiver wire, get on kids early, and hope they stick.

There is no disputing the roster is better 1-85. Results have uneven though. Some positions have been improved to a greater extent than others. The lack of strong breakthrough in recruiting is one reason why McDonald was hired. Is the talent better than were it was four years, there is no argument, but it's not where it needs to be.

 

[TheCusian]

False start on the center. And not any center. Macky, 3rd year starter, student of the game. Danger, Will Robinson.

From an outsider's perspective, it sure looks like Marrone rode off to the NFL on the shoulders of someone else's QB recruit, and left the cupboard bare after 4 years of his own efforts.

And Hunt is a knucklehead for getting himself suspended, and missing an entire Spring practice.

I hope we recruit 10 QB's this year and fine one who can play at the college level.

Ug.

 

[dasher]

I guess you have forgotten where this program has come from. It hasn't been in a position to instant upgrade. It's had to beat the bushes, work the waiver wire, get on kids early, and hope they stick.

There is no disputing the roster is better 1-85. Results have uneven though. Some positions have been improved to a greater extent than others. The lack of strong breakthrough in recruiting is one reason why McDonald was hired. Is the talent better than were it was four years, there is no argument, but it's not where it needs to be.

you don't have to defend Doug at every turn. The fact is that we used a qb that he didn't bring in. And after 4 years, we are still using a qb he didn't bring in. Not good. We have no special wide outs. Not good.

 

[javadoc]

Not sure the cupboard is bare. We're as deep and talented at some positions as we've been in years.


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Oh I agree. Talking only about the QB position. So much depends on it, though.

 

[GoSU96]

you don't have to defend Doug at every turn. The fact is that we used a qb that he didn't bring in. And after 4 years, we are still using a qb he didn't bring in. Not good. We have no special wide outs. Not good.

Actually he brought in Paulus. But that's not your point. I have no problem with these guys going out and working the free agent market, it's part of what the program does to compete. But that was a choice to exercise and get an immediate addition to the position, personally I don't think it was a necessity, I think Hunt or Loeb would be good enough. If I was hung up on that aspect I'd be screaming for Hunt and outraged that Allen is QB.

As for no special WR's they thought they had one in Funderburk.

And it's not a defense, it's a description of the state of the program. I said it was uneven.

 

[javadoc]

I guess you have forgotten where this program has come from. It hasn't been in a position to instant upgrade. It's had to beat the bushes, work the waiver wire, get on kids early, and hope they stick.

There is no disputing the roster is better 1-85. Results have uneven though. Some positions have been improved to a greater extent than others. The lack of strong breakthrough in recruiting is one reason why McDonald was hired. Is the talent better than were it was four years, there is no argument, but it's not where it needs to be.

Believe me, I have no unrealistic expectations about where we are. The OP was intended only to say that no way should we be in the position where we don't have a clear starter at QB from within the ranks, so to speak. And that McD & co. are in a bad bad way if they get Macky to commit a false start.

 

[rosconey]

the staring statue is the only given at qb right now-

who knows what hunt can do -
might have a good qb redshirting -
What knows at this point-

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

My opinion on one of the biggest differences between the Marrone coaching regime and the current is the discipline and focus on fundamentals. We're not an Alabama and our best chances of winning is by not limiting ourselves with mistakes. You'll many turnovers, stupid penalties, missed assignments, poor communication, etc.

Luckily, these can be corrected. The question is will they be corrected?

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[orangeinohio]

If you want to measure discipline solely by penalties, based on the stats, there doesn't seem to be a big difference between this year and last:

In the first two games of last year, SU was penalized 17 times for 112 yards.
In the first two games of this year, SU was penalized 14 times for 125 yards.

 

[All4SU]

My opinion on one of the biggest differences between the Marrone coaching regime and the current is the discipline and focus on fundamentals. We're not an Alabama and our best chances of winning is by not limiting ourselves with mistakes. You'll many turnovers, stupid penalties, missed assignments, poor communication, etc.

Luckily, these can be corrected. The question is will they be corrected?

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Teams with veteran/senior quarterbacks make fewer mistakes. I don't think we have seen a lack of discipline.

 

[Full_Rebar]

If Marrone had stayed, the QB would be one of "his" recruits -Hunt, Loeb, or Z. Allen.

 

[All4SU]

If Marrone had stayed, the QB would be one of "his" recruits -Hunt, Loeb, or Z. Allen.

Exactly right.

 

[All4SU]

At present, we are looking at Hunt, Wilson, Kimble and Long competing for the spot. Despite the struggles of Allen so far, I feel pretty good about the depth at the position going forward.

 

[javadoc]

If Marrone had stayed, the QB would be one of "his" recruits -Hunt, Loeb, or Z. Allen.

That is a good point. I was curious to see how well Loeb could have run the same offense that we saw last year. Apparently he is an after-thought for McD's scheme, or he just wasn't anywhere close to ready regardless of scheme. Z. Allen is the wild card, who knows if he would have been able to make a difference as a freshman.

 

[SWC75]

Exactly right.

He would have said "no" to Drew Allen?

 

[All4SU]

He would have said "no" to Drew Allen?

Don't know. But if see had z. Allen coming in, my guess is D. Allen wouldn't have considered us.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

My head is going to explode...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

you don't have to defend Doug at every turn.

He does actually.

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[orangenirvana]

you don't have to defend Doug at every turn. The fact is that we used a qb that he didn't bring in. And after 4 years, we are still using a qb he didn't bring in. Not good. We have no special wide outs. Not good.

You make it seem like Nassib was a finished product when GERG signed him.

Loeb or Hunt would have likely done just fine under Hackett's and Marrone's system.

 

[tbonezone]

it doesn't necessarily have to be choice A or B. combo A and B just totally kicked our ass! simple math.
NWQB ( a+b) = SU butts kicked! based on the evidence i've seen...we need to play 2 also to compete.

 

[anomander]

False start on the center. And not any center. Macky, 3rd year starter, student of the game. Danger, Will Robinson.

From an outsider's perspective, it sure looks like Marrone rode off to the NFL on the shoulders of someone else's QB recruit, and left the cupboard bare after 4 years of his own efforts.

And Hunt is a knucklehead for getting himself suspended, and missing an entire Spring practice.

I hope we recruit 10 QB's this year and fine one who can play at the college level.

I really don't think the cupboard is bare at all. We have a ton of talent in their sophmore and redshirt freshman seasons. This is another reason I believe you have to go with Hunt NOW, but I won't get into that here. I believe Doug left this team very well stocked, and if his staff was here we would have 1 win right now. I don't think it's the talent at all, I believe it's the schemes, both offensively, and defensively that has been our detriment so far this season. I'm not sure if that makes me feel better, but I really believe it. Any way here is a list players who are either starters or major contributors who will be in their 3 or 4th year of game experience in the 2015 season.

Trudo
Foy
Robinson
(Insert Knapp and Emerich who are almost locks to start next season)
Estime
Broyld
Morris
McFarland
Raymon
Thompson
Johnson
Arciniega
Whigham
Morgan
Eskridge
Desir

The future is bright we just need to make sure the development is there. Most importantly you have to let Hunt grow with this core.

 

[javadoc]

I really don't think the cupboard is bare at all.

Sorry for the confusion again - I was talking only about the QB position in the OP. We're in generally good shape, much better than we were in 2009. Remember Marrone's comment about how we were the slowest AND smallest team in the BE when he arrived. Clearly we are much better off now.

The perfect storm of having to start a totally green QB from outside the program, combined with confusion in running the offense on gameday, led to that horrible moment when I damn near spit out my drink at the bar. False start on the center. Wow.

 

[IthacaMatt]

you don't have to defend Doug at every turn. The fact is that we used a qb that he didn't bring in. And after 4 years, we are still using a qb he didn't bring in. Not good. We have no special wide outs. Not good.

Doug and Shafer made us tougher. They brought in better athletes, in terms of size and raw speed, but they did not get the difference makers on the recruiting trail.