One (of many) things that is really bothering me about all this

[OttoForLife]

Seems there are quite a few posts about people knowing about/hear rumors of things like the tape's existence and alleged BF behavior and such. Who knows which posters are legit or not, but I'm a believer in when there is smoke, there's fire.

That said, how can anyone believe that someone like JB didn't hear about some of this stuff over the course of 30 years?

Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but it's not looking good, IMO.

 

[xc84]

Seems there are quite a few posts about people knowing about/hear rumors of things like the tape's existence and alleged BF behavior and such. Who knows which posters are legit or not, but I'm a believer in when there is smoke, there's fire.

That said, how can anyone believe that someone like JB didn't hear about some of this stuff over the course of 30 years?

Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but it's not looking good, IMO.

Well, we know he "heard" about it because there was an internal investigation done by Bond, Shoeneck, and King. In the end, someone had so say either Bernie was lying or the Davis guys was. The investigation didn't find Davis to be credible... likely mostly due to testimony of those Davis said could back up his claims. They, in fact, didn't. So, Boeheim believed Bernie.

 

[Millhouse]

Well, we know he "heard" about it because there was an internal investigation done by Bond, Shoeneck, and King. In the end, someone had so say either Bernie was lying or the Davis guys was. The investigation didn't find Davis to be credible... likely mostly due to testimony of those Davis said could back up his claims. They, in fact, didn't. So, Boeheim believed Bernie.

if perv perp porky pig's pig wife was porking the players, how did BSK not find out about it?

 

[Noexcuse]

if perv perp porky pig's pig wife was porking the players, how did BSK not find out about it?

She lied about it and they believed her.

 

[RealSUFan]

Well, we know he "heard" about it because there was an internal investigation done by Bond, Shoeneck, and King. In the end, someone had so say either Bernie was lying or the Davis guys was. The investigation didn't find Davis to be credible... likely mostly due to testimony of those Davis said could back up his claims. They, in fact, didn't. So, Boeheim believed Bernie.

The most reasonable explanation for JB's behavior is that he was absolutely convinced Fine was innocent. Did JB have his head in the sand? I'm not so sure. He had good reason to believe Fine was innocent since the initial investigation concluded the same. Facts will shed more light on this, but so far, it doesn't seem that JB should be suspended or fired. People will criticize JB for coming down so strongly against Davis at first, but it's precisely his strong condemnation of Davis that makes JB look like he didn't believe the accusations were true.

 

[xc84]

if perv perp porky pig's pig wife was porking the players, how did BSK not find out about it?

Did Davis tell the university about that back during the investigation? He didn't provide the tape (not sure why that is).

 

[Noexcuse]

Did Davis tell the university about that back during the investigation? He didn't provide the tape (not sure why that is).

Weird that he didn't since he supposedly provided it to ESPN and the PS a couple of years before.

 

[billsin01]

Seems there are quite a few posts about people knowing about/hear rumors of things like the tape's existence and alleged BF behavior and such. Who knows which posters are legit or not, but I'm a believer in when there is smoke, there's fire.

That said, how can anyone believe that someone like JB didn't hear about some of this stuff over the course of 30 years?

Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but it's not looking good, IMO.

Yeah, and sports and syracuse are both very small worlds. I hope JB didn't know and I'm glad there hasn't been evidence yet that he did, etc., and I hope he survives it. It's not unprecedented to not know someone was living a double-life.

BUT, Syracuse is a small town. The sports world is even smaller. It's hard for me to believe there weren't strong rumors and innuendo all over the place about BF's predilection for boys or at least his homosexuality (not that this is a bad thing, but rather as an indication that all wasn't as it seemed) and his wife sleeping around.

I covered sports for 9 years and heard more rumors than I cared to hear. I often didn't have any real substantiation to be able to go ahead and print things, but I hardly knew a lot of the people that I heard rumors about. Obviously many were likely false and born out of jealousy or resentment of some kind, but it is hard to swallow that JB was completely blind-sided by this.

 

[billsin01]

The most reasonable explanation for JB's behavior is that he was absolutely convinced Fine was innocent. Did JB have his head in the sand? I'm not so sure. He had good reason to believe Fine was innocent since the initial investigation concluded the same. Facts will shed more light on this, but so far, it doesn't seem that JB should be suspended or fired. People will criticize JB for coming down so strongly against Davis at first, but it's precisely his strong condemnation of Davis that makes JB looks like he didn't believe the accusations were true.

I do agree with this b/c otherwise that would have either been incredibly stupid or brilliantly played. I doubt the latter and generally doubt the former. It's the only thing holding me back from thinking JB will be gone and, frankly, from supporting a huge house-cleaning.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I sorta have to ask some questions...

So, there was the investigation a few years ago, which reached a conclusion that the investigation could go no further and that there was not enough to proceed with criminal charges. Okay. So, did JB READ THAT REPORT? Was it provided to him? Or, was he simply satisfied with the 'verdict?' If the latter, and he did nothing to look into the actual assertions, then Yes, i would say he was ethically 'negligent.'

I'm thinking of it like this: [hypothetical] My closest friend is being investigated for this same crime. A month later, i find out that the investigation has been completed, and no charges were filed. I can 1.) accept that it's over, and move on; 2) look into it myself, to find out if there IS evidence, but perhaps just not enough to satisfy the court system. If there is SOMETHING, i look further. And, i speak to my friend directly.

Something like this - an investigation by a newspaper, police department and university administration... regardless of the end result... unless they PROVE the charges as 'false,' I'm going to be doing my own little investigation. At that point, loyalty is the Program, School, Children.

If, after these accusations were made, you still see kids accompanying Fine on the road, you should be asking questions or changing the rules.

And, JB's statement that he has never been in the hotel room of an assistant is absolutely ridiculous. 35 years. 10-15 road games per year. That's 400 nights. Not once did JB have wake someone up? Borrow socks or toothpaste? Look for someone? Have pizza? Nothing? No reason to knock on someone's door? Your closest friend and assistant coach? No need to go over the film? Strategy? Last second travel changes? It's implausible. Someone said, no, he doesn't do that. He's "like a ghost." Which, if true, is a bit sad. We're not talking about a football coach, with 55-100 players to manage. He's got 10 people. If he has a 'ghost-like' relationship, it concerns me. That we're really not maximizing our efforts. What's JB doing on the road that has him so 'indisposed?' Keeping your head in the sand is a time-consuming hobby, it seems.

 

[baggerbob]

The media types need to step back and examine themselves before they do anything else. If they say anything it needs to be the ESPN coverup of the tape for over 8 years. If they were morally correct as they all claimed in condemming Penn State then in this case they are morally corrupt unless they blast ESPN for not giving the tape to authorities. Until such time as they go after ESPN all they are is loudmouthed Hypocrites.