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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 1908208, member: 363"] Well said, IMO it's 3-4 years for a bowl game, then we get to see what the ceiling may be but we need to exercise patience much like other programs that have tried to come from the depths. As I have said we are in the basement of P5 schools once again with Kansas and Rutgers with a long ways to go to get to 5-6 wins. And again, nobody cares that we were good 25 years ago, we have no better odds than rebuilding than any other cellar dweller. We may always stink, sure seems that way [/QUOTE]