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OT: Clark's Ale House rejected...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
This is just NYS and the Liquor authority flexing there muscles a bit and reminding the owner who is in charge. Once he appeals everything will get sorted out and I suspect they will be open within the next 1-2 months.
 
Considering this business owner's track record, he seems like a knucklehead.

He complains about having a lease and a payroll...come on, man - you took a lease well over a year ago and couldn't manage to get your doors open in that time, in part because you didn't think to pull a permit to build a dumbwaiter.

This guy needs to do some research or hire a lawyer. Or just ask a neighboring bar owner or contractor some simple questions.
 
:bang:Wow. This really makes my week.
 
I said the IPF would be open before Clarks. I stand by that prediction

Never would have believed it a few months ago, but now... not so sure.
 
Clark's Ale House: Temporary liquor license approved; regular permit back on track

From Clark's Facebook page:

Good afternoon to all our CAH fans out there. We are very pleased to announce that our application for a Temporary Beer and Wine license has been approved and is effective starting immediately. The status of our application for our permanent license has been restored to pending status awaiting for that application to go back in front of the board when they reconvene latter this month. That being said we will be ready to open very soon. At this point we are waiting for the installation of our register system to be completed and for our final inspection from the health department. Thank you all for waiting so patiently and be looking for an update on our opening day in the near future!


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Sorry, but liquor licensing is just plain stupid. Can someone provide a valid explanation as to why the goverment needs to approve my ability to sell alcohol?
 
He said "valid explanation"

"Show me da money!!!!" = "valid explanation"

Race to the finish: Clark's vs IPF. Who's your money on?
 
Considering this business owner's track record, he seems like a knucklehead.

He complains about having a lease and a payroll...come on, man - you took a lease well over a year ago and couldn't manage to get your doors open in that time, in part because you didn't think to pull a permit to build a dumbwaiter.

This guy needs to do some research or hire a lawyer. Or just ask a neighboring bar owner or contractor some simple questions.

Ray Clark is not a knucklehead. Unless your definition of knucklehead equates to being a successful businessman. I've known this family since the early 70's. I was a bartender for Doug Clark the father of Ray when he owned "Doug's Place, Working Man's Tavern" on Thompson Rd, just before carrier circle. I worked for Ray when he opened the first Clark's Ale House downtown. I was Ray's first hire at bartender. Our families have got together on multiple occasions. The Clark's do everything by the book. Their success speaks to that fact. The reasons why Ray has been having trouble is because every time the city beauracrats told him to make changes in the restaurant, he did, and then they came in and asked for more changes. Ray kept the staff he needed in order to help with the everyday BS he was getting from the city. The liquor license situation was to Ray a no brainer. His new establishment would be no different than his first. He assumed his license would be the same. If anyone has tried to open a business, especially a bar, restaurant, or tavern in Syracuse would understand the BS that the owner has to go through before opening. Ray and his dad who is also the founder of Doug's Fish Fry's have an outstanding reputation in the State license departments, you would think the liquor authority would take that into consideration.
 
Ray Clark is not a knucklehead. Unless your definition of knucklehead equates to being a successful businessman. I've known this family since the early 70's. I was a bartender for Doug Clark the father of Ray when he owned "Doug's Place, Working Man's Tavern" on Thompson Rd, just before carrier circle. I worked for Ray when he opened the first Clark's Ale House downtown. I was Ray's first hire at bartender. Our families have got together on multiple occasions. The Clark's do everything by the book. Their success speaks to that fact. The reasons why Ray has been having trouble is because every time the city beauracrats told him to make changes in the restaurant, he did, and then they came in and asked for more changes. Ray kept the staff he needed in order to help with the everyday BS he was getting from the city. The liquor license situation was to Ray a no brainer. His new establishment would be no different than his first. He assumed his license would be the same. If anyone has tried to open a business, especially a bar, restaurant, or tavern in Syracuse would understand the BS that the owner has to go through before opening. Ray and his dad who is also the founder of Doug's Fish Fry's have an outstanding reputation in the State license departments, you would think the liquor authority would take that into consideration.
great post
 
That is a cool looking entrance; I want to go there. Is that a 'historic' building?

Clark's Ale House: Temporary liquor license approved; regular permit back on track

From Clark's Facebook page:

Good afternoon to all our CAH fans out there. We are very pleased to announce that our application for a Temporary Beer and Wine license has been approved and is effective starting immediately. The status of our application for our permanent license has been restored to pending status awaiting for that application to go back in front of the board when they reconvene latter this month. That being said we will be ready to open very soon. At this point we are waiting for the installation of our register system to be completed and for our final inspection from the health department. Thank you all for waiting so patiently and be looking for an update on our opening day in the near future!


16040872-mmmain.jpg
 
Ray Clark is not a knucklehead. Unless your definition of knucklehead equates to being a successful businessman. I've known this family since the early 70's. I was a bartender for Doug Clark the father of Ray when he owned "Doug's Place, Working Man's Tavern" on Thompson Rd, just before carrier circle. I worked for Ray when he opened the first Clark's Ale House downtown. I was Ray's first hire at bartender. Our families have got together on multiple occasions. The Clark's do everything by the book. Their success speaks to that fact. The reasons why Ray has been having trouble is because every time the city beauracrats told him to make changes in the restaurant, he did, and then they came in and asked for more changes. Ray kept the staff he needed in order to help with the everyday BS he was getting from the city. The liquor license situation was to Ray a no brainer. His new establishment would be no different than his first. He assumed his license would be the same. If anyone has tried to open a business, especially a bar, restaurant, or tavern in Syracuse would understand the BS that the owner has to go through before opening. Ray and his dad who is also the founder of Doug's Fish Fry's have an outstanding reputation in the State license departments, you would think the liquor authority would take that into consideration.

Wrong of me to call a stranger a knucklehead, I'll grant you that.

Failing to consistently communicate with an inquisitive customer base on Facebook for years during this lease-finding and build-out process; posting hand-written, vague, short-hand notes in the windows in recent months; and all the difficulty in licensing and permitting (all while unable to stick to a deadline) leaves me unimpressed.

It's easy to complain about bureaucrats. Fact is, regulations aren't that difficult to follow, as evidenced by all the people and corporations who do open businesses on deadline every year. Mr. Clark hasn't done simple things like that.
 
I have no idea regarding the specifics of this case but I've seen many new restaurants open and then wait and wait for their all-important liquor license. The NYS Liquor Authority (what - are we in the 1930s?) has a long and undistinguished history of moving at glacial speed.
 
I have no idea regarding the specifics of this case but I've seen many new restaurants open and then wait and wait for their all-important liquor license. The NYS Liquor Authority (what - are we in the 1930s?) has a long and undistinguished history of moving at glacial speed.

If I was the king of New York, the Liquor Authority would be the first of many departments I would dissolve...and I don't even drink.

Does NY have the same stupid Sunday morning laws as we do down here in Texas - no alcohol purchases before noon on Sunday? That's right, if you have a game starting at noon, you better have purchased your beer sometime Saturday. So stupid.
 
If I was the king of New York, the Liquor Authority would be the first of many departments I would dissolve...and I don't even drink.

Does NY have the same stupid Sunday morning laws as we do down here in Texas - no alcohol purchases before noon on Sunday? That's right, if you have a game starting at noon, you better have purchased your beer sometime Saturday. So stupid.
We just recently got rid of the rule prohibiting purchasing alcohol before noon on Sundays. But you still can't be served alcohol before Noon on Sundays in NY. too funny
 
Ray Clark is not a knucklehead. Unless your definition of knucklehead equates to being a successful businessman. I've known this family since the early 70's. I was a bartender for Doug Clark the father of Ray when he owned "Doug's Place, Working Man's Tavern" on Thompson Rd, just before carrier circle. I worked for Ray when he opened the first Clark's Ale House downtown. I was Ray's first hire at bartender. Our families have got together on multiple occasions. The Clark's do everything by the book. Their success speaks to that fact. The reasons why Ray has been having trouble is because every time the city beauracrats told him to make changes in the restaurant, he did, and then they came in and asked for more changes. Ray kept the staff he needed in order to help with the everyday BS he was getting from the city. The liquor license situation was to Ray a no brainer. His new establishment would be no different than his first. He assumed his license would be the same. If anyone has tried to open a business, especially a bar, restaurant, or tavern in Syracuse would understand the BS that the owner has to go through before opening. Ray and his dad who is also the founder of Doug's Fish Fry's have an outstanding reputation in the State license departments, you would think the liquor authority would take that into consideration.

The crap he is dealing with from the city is 100% accurate I'm sure. Family friends of the Brooklyn Pickle owner and the amount of crap he had to go through from the city and the state (because the property butts up against 690) when they were expanding the Midler location was ridiculous. A lot of seemingly unnecessary time and money had to be spent to live up to ridiculously high restrictions.
 
That is a cool looking entrance; I want to go there. Is that a 'historic' building?
All of those buildings are historic. We used to hang out downtown when we were kids back in the 60's. I do not remember what that building was back then. On the opposite corner was Edwards Dept Store. I used to run the elevators there as a part timer while in high school. "Going up. Going down."
 

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