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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 371371, member: 668"] Agree about the "bend, but don't break defense." As I mentioned, as good as their linebacker core and secondary were at that particular time, they had no Mean Joe Greene type defensive lineman. Their lineman generally could not get consistent pressure on the opponent's qb's. Best DL's were probably "Turkey" Jones and Jerry Shirk. Boy, what I would give to watch big 'ol Ben get cartwheeled a la Turkey did to Terry Bradshaw. :) Yep, old Cleveland Municipal would consistently pack near 80k...Modell was a very poor business man... [/QUOTE]