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The report was utter BS. Almost every AFC coach said they didn't read it. Because the whole "story" was a friggin joke! There was no "bullying"...Martin lost his starting job cause he sucks as a player and looked for a way out and to blame something or someone other than his crappy play for it. He was exposed as a bad football player so he pulled this "bullying" card. You will see no change in the NFL over this. Because nothing happened!
 
The report was utter BS. Almost every AFC coach said they didn't read it. Because the whole "story" was a friggin joke! There was no "bullying"...Martin lost his starting job cause he sucks as a player and looked for a way out and to blame something or someone other than his crappy play for it. He was exposed as a bad football player so he pulled this "bullying" card. You will see no change in the NFL over this. Because nothing happened![/quote
No bullying huh? How about thge treatment of the trainor? The treatment of the black woman at the golf course tells you all you need to know about that thug.
 
No bullying huh? How about thge treatment of the trainor? The treatment of the black woman at the golf course tells you all you need to know about that thug.

The black woman incident didn't happen in an NFL Lockeroom and that's what the whole story was about! Lockeroom treatment! Richie may be a jerk but he didn't bully Martin. And if you read all 1500 texts Martin was just as big a jerk as Richie. Read some of the racist stuff Martin was texting. Everyone inside NFL circles knows this whole story was a joke from day 1. Which is why nobody read it.

Hell the one guy who is in the report who now plays for Carolina (McDonald) said he was NEVER bullied and never stated such. The report was wrong.
 
The black woman incident didn't happen in an NFL Lockeroom and that's what the whole story was about! Lockeroom treatment! Richie may be a jerk but he didn't bully Martin. And if you read all 1500 texts Martin was just as big a jerk as Richie. Read some of the racist stuff Martin was texting. Everyone inside NFL circles knows this whole story was a joke from day 1. Which is why nobody read it.

Hell the one guy who is in the report who now plays for Carolina (McDonald) said he was NEVER bullied and never stated such. The report was wrong.
The report was wrong. Right. Wells didn't know but you do. Sorry, I'll take a pro who has looked in to it over yours. Without doing any research you made your stand that Ritchie wasn't a bully. He is. He bullied the trainer. He bullied the woman. He bullied martin.
 
Gotta love Incognito apologists. The guy is a piece of crap, and probably will have to pull a Remy and kill someone before the apologists wake up.
 
The report was wrong. Right. Wells didn't know but you do. Sorry, I'll take a pro who has looked in to it over yours. Without doing any research you made your stand that Ritchie wasn't a bully. He is. He bullied the trainer. He bullied the woman. He bullied martin.
If the report was right then why did Jon Jerry get a contract from the Giants. Why are the Dolphins about to give Pouncey a long-term extension. And why did EVERY other coach in the league say they ignored it. Because it was BS!

People need to look up the word "bully" and what it means. Being a jerk and a bad guy doesn't mean you "bully" people. Richie (learn how to spell his name since you seem to like to think know everything about him) might be a bad guy and a meat-head. But he didn't bully anyone. Did he tell off color jokes to the trainer, yes but no buillying. Did he say some nasty sex stuff to a woman at a golf course...yes, that isn't bullying. That is being a jerk. There is a difference. How Incognito saying some sexual stuff at a golf course to a woman equal the NFL needs to change a locker-room culture? It's silly on every level and the NFL coaches must agree because they IGNORED the Wells Report
 
If the report was right then why did Jon Jerry get a contract from the Giants. Why are the Dolphins about to give Pouncey a long-term extension. And why did EVERY other coach in the league say they ignored it. Because it was BS!

People need to look up the word "bully" and what it means. Being a jerk and a bad guy doesn't mean you "bully" people. Richie (learn how to spell his name since you seem to like to think know everything about him) might be a bad guy and a meat-head. But he didn't bully anyone. Did he tell off color jokes to the trainer, yes but no buillying. Did he say some nasty s e x stuff to a woman at a golf course...yes, that isn't bullying. That is being a jerk. There is a difference. How Incognito saying some s e x ual stuff at a golf course to a woman equal the NFL needs to change a locker-room culture? It's silly on every level and the NFL coaches must agree because they IGNORED the Wells Report

Stern, you should take your own advice and read the definition of a bully and workplace bullying. Also, Incognito s e xually assaulted the woman on the golf course, so that is even beyond bullying. People like Incognito don't belong in any workplace. Like I pointed out above, Incognito is the type of guy that will end up like Jared Remy and then everyone will say "how did this happen."



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1. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.

Workplace bullying occurs when an employee experiences a persistent pattern of mistreatment from others in the workplace that causes harm.[1] Workplace bullying can include such tactics as verbal, nonverbal, psychological, physical abuse and humiliation. This type of aggression is particularly difficult because, unlike the typical forms of school bullying, workplace bullies often operate within the established rules and policies of their organization and their society. Bullying in the workplace is in the majority of cases reported as having been perpetrated by someone in authority over the target. However, bullies can also be peers, and on occasion can be subordinates.[2] Bullying can be covert or overt. It may be missed by superiors or known by many throughout the organization. Negative effects are not limited to the targeted individuals, and may lead to a decline in employee morale and a change in company culture.


Incognito, Jerry & Pouncey meet the definition of a bully. Numerous examples of initiating weaker people are presented here.


Wiki:

College career[edit]
In 2001, Incognito redshirted at Nebraska.[6] In 2002, he became the first Husker freshman offensive lineman to start in the season opener and just the third rookie lineman to earn any start in his first year of competition. At the same time, though, he began displaying the behavioral problems that would follow him throughout his career. During his second game, against Troy State, he was accused of spitting on a Troy State player. Two weeks later, he was ejected for picking a fight in a blowout loss to Penn State.[9]

In the spring of 2003, Incognito got in a fight during practice and was suspended indefinitely by head coach Frank Solich. By this time, Solich and his staff were concerned enough about Incognito's behavior to send him to the Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kansas for anger management treatment.[9]

In February 2004, Incognito was involved in a fight at a party and was charged with three counts of assault. On September 1, however, he was suspended indefinitely for repeated violations of team rules. The final straw for new coach Bill Callahan came when Incognito got into a fight in the locker room. Within a few weeks, Incognito withdrew from all classes at Nebraska and left Lincoln.[11][9]

In late September, he transferred to the University of Oregon, only to be dismissed from the team a week later. Head coach Mike Bellotti said Incognito failed to meet the conditions he'd agreed to meet before his arrival in Eugene. Bellotti didn't elaborate, but Incognito had been required to complete an anger-management course and adhere to a strict code of conduct.[12]

Professional career[edit]
Pre-draft[edit]
At the 2005 NFL Combine, Incognito impressed scouts by being "the strongest and most explosive player in attendance". Despite his impressive physical tools, ESPN Scouts Inc. noted "his inability to control his emotions both on and off the field is such a significant concern that he'll likely slip to the later rounds of the draft."[14]

St. Louis Rams[edit]
2008 season[edit]
On October 17, Incognito was fined three times for a total of $35,000 after the game versus the Washington Redskins.[17] His violations during the game included the repeated verbal abuse of a game official, performing a "major face mask" penalty, and performing a chop block penalty. (which wasn't called during the game.) Incognito's behavior nearly lead to a loss after his antics cost the Rams 15 yards before the eventual game-winning field goal.[18]

2009 season[edit]
On December 13, during the first half of a 47-7 loss to the Tennessee Titans, Incognito drew two 15-yard penalties for headbutting Titans players. Head coach Steve Spagnuolo benched him for the second half, and the two got into a heated confrontation on the sidelines. It was the second time Incognito had been benched for losing his composure; he'd been pulled from the season opener against Seattle for two personal fouls. However, the Titans incident was the last straw; the Rams waived him two days after the game.[21] In 2013, former Rams general manager Billy Devaney told ESPN that Spagnuolo had given Incognito numerous chances to clean up his act, and had put him on notice that the Rams would cut ties with him if he couldn't control his anger.[22]

The two personal fouls led to a $50,000 fine from the NFL and a letter from the league office warning him that "future infractions of the types you have committed may lead to increased disciplinary action up to and including suspension."[23] In four years with the Rams from 2006 to 2009, Incognito drew 38 penalties, including seven unnecessary roughness calls, more than any other player during that span.[16]

Buffalo Bills[edit]
2009 season[edit]
Incognito started the final three games of the season at right guard and helped block for Buffalo running back Fred Jackson's 212-yard rushing performance vs. Indianapolis (1/3/10).[15] Incognito was a restricted free agent and the Bills declined to re-sign him. [26]

Miami Dolphins[edit]
On March 17, 2010, Incognito signed a one-year deal with the Miami Dolphins.[27]

2012 season[edit]
During the Dolphins' annual celebrity golf tournament at the Turnberry Isle Resort and Club in Aventura, Florida, a drunken Incognito harassed a female volunteer at the club. He rubbed her private parts with a golf club, pressed his private parts against her buttocks and dumped water in her face. The matter was referred to Dolphins security. Although former Dolphins wide receiver Nat Moore apologized to her, the volunteer filed a police report after Incognito didn't personally apologize; the matter was later settled after she signed a confidentiality agreement. This incident didn't come to public light until November 2013.[29] Dolphins coach Joe Philbin subsequently confirmed that the Dolphins were aware of the situation, and had taken "immediate action" in response; he didn't elaborate.[30]

2013 season[edit]
On November 3, 2013, the Dolphins suspended Incognito for alleged misconduct related to the treatment of teammate Jonathan Martin, who left the team a week earlier to receive help for emotional issues. Incognito's conduct was said to be detrimental to the team.[33] On February 4, 2014, Incognito's suspension was lifted.[34]

NFL's "Dirtiest" Player[edit]
Incognito has garnered attention over the years for perceived dirty play amongst NFL players, coaches, and fans. He has been alleged to have gouged players' eyes, punched players, and made illegal tackles on a regular basis.[36][37] In 2009, NFL players voted Incognito as the dirtiest player in the league, according to a Sporting News poll.[38]

Bullying scandal[edit]
In November 2013, ESPN reported on Incognito's alleged role in harassment of teammate Jonathan Martin.[39] According to Incognito, he had reached out to Martin after he had left the team, and the two had an amicable text exchange, in which Incognito claims Martin said he did not blame him or his teammates personally.[40] Incognito subsequently expressed outrage over the report, going on Twitter to demand that ESPN's Adam Schefter "Stop slandering my name."[41]

Schefter and Chris Mortensen reported on ESPN on November 3 that Martin fears "retribution, primarily from Incognito." The article goes on to state that "the matter is absolutely under review and preliminarily identifies Incognito as an alleged offender in multiple incidents of possible harassment and bullying over the past two seasons, with Martin not the only victim." Schefter and Mortensen also cited unnamed sources that one of the significant allegations is an incident during the summer of 2013 when Incognito got Martin to contribute $15,000 to help finance a trip to Las Vegas by a group of Dolphins, even though Martin preferred not to, "fearing the consequences if he did not hand over the money."[42]

On November 3, Mike Garafolo reported on Fox Sports 1 that Incognito is alleged to have sent Martin threatening and racially charged messages. He also reported that the team and league—rather than the players' association—has been asked to investigate.[43] That same day, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reported that Incognito "has had to be reprimanded in the past for his actions toward team employees," citing an unnamed source.[44] La Canfora and Schefter subsequently reported statements from an unnamed source that the team and the league are now in possession of highly disturbing texts and voicemails in which Incognito used a racial slur against Martin, and disturbing text and voice exchanges including "a reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them" and even threatening to kill Martin. According to La Canfora, Incognito's alleged harassment of Martin had gotten to the point that Martin actually feared for his safety, and felt that leaving the team was his only option. [45][46]

Just hours after the Dolphins' game against the Cincinnati Bengals, the Dolphins suspended Incognito indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team. The Dolphins also asked the NFL to join their own internal investigation of the matter.[47] According to Schefter, the final straw for the Dolphins was a highly graphic voicemail Incognito left in April 2013, in which Incognito called Martin a "half-n piece of sht," threatened to slap Martin's mother across the face and even uttered a death threat against Martin. Until then, the Dolphins had publicly maintained the charges against Incognito were pure speculation. Schefter said that as late as the afternoon of November 3, the Dolphins didn't even know the voicemail existed. Within hours of hearing the tape, Schefter said, the Dolphins had suspended Incognito.[48] The next day, a Dolphins source told The Miami Herald that Incognito will never play another down for the Dolphins again, and that the team intends to cut ties with him at the earliest opportunity.[49]

On November 5, the (Fort Lauderdale) Sun-Sentinel reported that "multiple sources" have said Incognito may have taken orders from Dolphins coaches to “toughen up” Martin too far. The Sun-Sentinel reported that the controversial voice mail message that ultimately led to Incognito's suspension was made after Martin missed two days of the team's voluntary workout program. The coaches asked Incognito, who by this time was the unquestioned leader of the offensive line, to make a call that would "get him into the fold."[50] On November 7, reports emerged that Miami GM Jeff Ireland reacted to the allegations by suggesting that Martin punch Incognito[51] - however, rather than take things that far, Martin chose to leave the team.

On February 3, 2014, the text messages exchanged between Martin and Incognito were leaked. It is thought that "the leak came from Incognito or someone close to him, because the text messages tend to support the notion that Incognito and Martin were friends. Moreover, nothing in the Incognito text messages suggests harassment or bullying of Martin." On February 4, 2014, Richie Incognito's 3-month long suspension ended.[53]

Investigator's report[edit]
On February 14, 2014, lawyer Ted Wells released a report (NFL summary) following an investigation into the matter ordered by the NFL. The investigation concluded that Incognito, and to a lesser extent fellow offensive linemen John Jerry and Mike Pouncey, bullied Martin, yet another (unnamed) Dolphins offensive lineman, and also a Dolphins staff member, an unnamed assistant trainer.[54][55]

The report also concluded that Incognito, Jerry, and Pouncey made severe racial slurs towards the assistant trainer, and Incognito and Jerry even taunted him by saying that they had had sex with his girlfriend. On December 7, 2012, the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey donned traditional Japanese headbands featuring a rising sun emblem (which the assistant trainer had given them) and jokingly threatened to harm the assistant trainer physically in retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. The assistant trainer confided in Martin that he was upset about the Pearl Harbor comments, finding them derogatory toward his heritage, as the assistant trainer is from Japan.[56]
 
jjj
If the report was right then why did Jon Jerry get a contract from the Giants. Why are the Dolphins about to give Pouncey a long-term extension. And why did EVERY other coach in the league say they ignored it. Because it was BS!

People need to look up the word "bully" and what it means. Being a jerk and a bad guy doesn't mean you "bully" people. Richie (learn how to spell his name since you seem to like to think know everything about him) might be a bad guy and a meat-head. But he didn't bully anyone. Did he tell off color jokes to the trainer, yes but no buillying. Did he say some nasty s e x stuff to a woman at a golf course...yes, that isn't bullying. That is being a jerk. There is a difference. How Incognito saying some s e x ual stuff at a golf course to a woman equal the NFL needs to change a locker-room culture? It's silly on every level and the NFL coaches must agree because they IGNORED the Wells Report
LOL The report was wrong. Well, Martin has a job. Does RICHIE? A pro who interviewed all the parties, unlike you, came to a different opinion. Being a bully is making the workplace hostile? Did RICHIE do that? You bet. By the way, I hope you read Midlovikings post. It will educate you on the subject. I don't know your work history. But in mine, I supervised the investment sales for one of the largest banks in the country. And what RICHIE did would be considered bullying at that and any company I have ever worked for. You staked out a position early on in this case. An investigation found differently than you did. You were wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of. But to double down on it is a very bad bet.
 
jjj

LOL The report was wrong. Well, Martin has a job. Does RICHIE? A pro who interviewed all the parties, unlike you, came to a different opinion. Being a bully is making the workplace hostile? Did RICHIE do that? You bet. By the way, I hope you read Midlovikings post. It will educate you on the subject. I don't know your work history. But in mine, I supervised the investment sales for one of the largest banks in the country. And what RICHIE did would be considered bullying at that and any company I have ever worked for. You staked out a position early on in this case. An investigation found differently than you did. You were wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of. But to double down on it is a very bad bet.
Nobody ever claimed Richie was a "good guy"...but he didn't bully a teammate. And there is a lack of evidence to back it up. Like I said there are 1500+ text messages and the conversation between the 2 is equal. Martin gives as good as he got. If Richie did bully he would be banned for life or suspended right now, he is neither. Where is the league punishment? If its so cut and dry why are they waiting? Again, what Richie did at a golf course is not bullying in the workplace. Telling an off color joke to an employee is an HR matter, not bullying. If it is bullying why hasn't the NFL come down with a "new standard for locker-room conduct"...why are they waiting mini-camps are in May! Because there was no "bullying"

Incognito is a bad guy....that don't make you a bully.
 
Nobody ever claimed Richie was a "good guy"...but he didn't bully a teammate. And there is a lack of evidence to back it up. Like I said there are 1500+ text messages and the conversation between the 2 is equal. Martin gives as good as he got. If Richie did bully he would be banned for life or suspended right now, he is neither. Where is the league punishment? If its so cut and dry why are they waiting? Again, what Richie did at a golf course is not bullying in the workplace. Telling an off color joke to an employee is an HR matter, not bullying. If it is bullying why hasn't the NFL come down with a "new standard for locker-room conduct"...why are they waiting mini-camps are in May! Because there was no "bullying"

Incognito is a bad guy...that don't make you a bully.
I guess you didn't read Midloviking's post. We have your opinion and we have mine. we also have the opinion of the person who did the investigation. As for why no ban. Of course there is no ban. You don't get banned for getting drunk and killing someone. You don't get banned for murdering dogs. The list goes on and on with what you don't get banned for. He isn't punished right now because I don't believe he is on a team. That will probably change if someone signs him. Once again, midloviking laid out what bullying is. And it fits RICHIE like a glove.
 
I guess you didn't read Midloviking's post. We have your opinion and we have mine. we also have the opinion of the person who did the investigation. As for why no ban. Of course there is no ban. You don't get banned for getting drunk and killing someone. You don't get banned for murdering dogs. The list goes on and on with what you don't get banned for. He isn't punished right now because I don't believe he is on a team. That will probably change if someone signs him. Once again, midloviking laid out what bullying is. And it fits RICHIE like a glove.
Vick wasn't on a team when the league suspended him. Don't need to be on a team to be suspended
 
Vick wasn't on a team when the league suspended him. Don't need to be on a team to be suspended
My memory of that was that Vick was suspended (and convicted) in '07 and Atlanta ran him out of town in '08. The bigger point is that the NFl is a business that if you can play, you play. Gun law violation. No problem. Bullying would get you 4 games max.
 
Nobody ever claimed Richie was a "good guy"...but he didn't bully a teammate. And there is a lack of evidence to back it up. Like I said there are 1500+ text messages and the conversation between the 2 is equal. Martin gives as good as he got. If Richie did bully he would be banned for life or suspended right now, he is neither. Where is the league punishment? If its so cut and dry why are they waiting? Again, what Richie did at a golf course is not bullying in the workplace. Telling an off color joke to an employee is an HR matter, not bullying. If it is bullying why hasn't the NFL come down with a "new standard for locker-room conduct"...why are they waiting mini-camps are in May! Because there was no "bullying"

Incognito is a bad guy...that don't make you a bully.
It was a team event, so it was in the workplace. He used a position of power over someone he viewed as being beneath him, so it was bullying.
 
It was a team event, so it was in the workplace. He used a position of power over someone he viewed as being beneath him, so it was bullying.

It absolutely was a workplace incident, what he did would be no different than someone going to their office Christmas party and sexually harassing/assaulting one of the wait staff. Most normal people would be fired for that and probably have charges filed against them.

If you look at the definition of bullying and Cognito's track record, they might as well put a photo of him next to the definition. If you took the golf course incident in a vacuum, I don't think it would be a case of bullying, but if you look at his whole resume there's a pattern there.
 

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