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It's only Sunday, but here's a toast and a "here here" to all our veterans who have served our country so proudly, and who currently are doing so in the U.S. and overseas. We can take for granted things we have including the freedom and peace we enjoy, so we should all take time out to thank all those who help provide this for us. Awesome job! And thanks too to those who just like to serve others in other ways too. It all counts.
 
It's only Sunday, but here's a toast and a "here here" to all our veterans who have served our country so proudly, and who currently are doing so in the U.S. and overseas. We can take for granted things we have including the freedom and peace we enjoy, so we should all take time out to thank all those who help provide this for us. Awesome job! And thanks too to those who just like to serve others in other ways too. It all counts.

Nice post. Thanks to everyone who serves or who has ever served. Especially those injured in battle or worse...
 
I hope people don't take this the wrong way because I really do appreciate your support. With that being said Memorial Day is the day we Honor those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to their country. Memorial Day is a time for somber remembrance of the loved ones who died in the service of their nation. Memorial Day is the Federal holiday celebrated the last Monday of each May to honor the men and women who died while serving in the military. Unlike Veterans Day, which is held each November 11 to honor all Veterans, Memorial Day represents a time for the nation to pause, remember and honor the service of deceased Veterans and military members who died on active duty.Veterans Day is the Day we honor all Veterans of all generations.
 
Nice post, Jim. My grandfathers died on the Eastern front - both serving as volunteers. And while their sacrifice was not to this country, it was for a common cause, so I always celebrate the Memorial Day thinking of them. The Soviets never even had such a holiday. Only the V-Day in the Great Patriotic War (May 9). Oh, and the unrelated Soviet Army Day (Feb 23). The millions of dead never mattered to them, and never will.

EDIT: To be more precise, they did have a ceremonial Grave Of The Unnamed Soldier by the Kremlin wall, with a flame always burning. And they did pay a special tribute to it on May 9th. But of course it only symbolized the expected sacrifice of the unnamed masses for the perceived common good.
 
I hope people don't take this the wrong way because I really do appreciate your support. With that being said Memorial Day is the day we Honor those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to their country. Memorial Day is a time for somber remembrance of the loved ones who died in the service of their nation. Memorial Day is the Federal holiday celebrated the last Monday of each May to honor the men and women who died while serving in the military. Unlike Veterans Day, which is held each November 11 to honor all Veterans, Memorial Day represents a time for the nation to pause, remember and honor the service of deceased Veterans and military members who died on active duty.Veterans Day is the Day we honor all Veterans of all generations.

You are so right Jim. I guess that's what I meant as well in my OP, didn't mean for Memorial Day to be confused with Veterans' Day. Either way, I salute those who are or have fought for us, and certainly remember those whose lives were lost fighting for America. Prayers to their families too.
 
They are the humble brave souls that kept us free. They defended our Consitution against foreign enemies. If only they could have protected us from domestic enemies. They are the polar opposite of the egoist politicians that rationalize theft and seek to enslave us as they shred the Consitution.
 
They are the humble brave souls that kept us free. They defended our Consitution against foreign enemies. If only they could have protected us from domestic enemies. They are the polar opposite of the egoist politicians that rationalize theft and seek to enslave us as they shred the Consitution.

Very well said, I wish I could thank it more than once. We must remember though, that the elected politicians in this era(at least) are just the public face, and not at the root of the problem. I'm writing this in hopes it can in any way contribute to preventing human beings and our liberties from being reduced to memories.

I have great respect for those who paid the ultimate price whether they did so by choice or not. At the same time, I have great contempt for those who sent them into harms way unconstitutionally. We've been conditioned to not even talk about it anymore, for fear of not looking "patriotic", when the exact opposite is true. The more one studies the various wars we've been involved in, the longer one has to go back to find a single war that can even be argued was in our best interest(google "Balfour Declaration") let alone necessary, including the travesty we call the "Civil" War, and the beginning of the fall of the Constitution immediately thereafter.

More of our troops die by their own hand(suicide) than at the hands of any imagined foreign enemy now. Far more have severe physical and mental wounds that will forever effect them and their families. It's for both of those sentences I am including this non-partisan video link, On The Dark Side(nothing to do with my avatar) In Al Doura. It could be called miraculous that this story lived to reach us, and on behalf of every member of the armed forces I'm posting it to make sure this soldier and many others like him are first known, and then remembered.





If we cherish what our founding fathers gave us, it's the duty of each of us in our own way to make sure our republic is restored and our freedoms preserved/restored as well. The most important battlefield is in our hearts and minds(the media is the most powerful branch of all government, and relatively few question it), and I can't in good conscience pass this rare opportunity in here to say that Ron Paul(in other words, the Constitution) received more donations from those who list their main employer as the military than all other candidates of any party combined!!! It's time we honor the troops(living and dead) by actually listening to what they said with their wallets and as AlaskaSU said, honoring the Constitution they swore an oath to defend.
 
They are the humble brave souls that kept us free. They defended our Consitution against foreign enemies. If only they could have protected us from domestic enemies. They are the polar opposite of the egoist politicians that rationalize theft and seek to enslave us as they shred the Consitution.
Stop it and honor the fallen.
 
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The story of Memorial Day begins in the summer of 1865, when a prominent local druggist, Henry C. Welles, mentioned to some of his friends at a social gathering that while praising the living veterans of the Civil War it would be well to remember the patriotic dead by placing flowers on their graves. Nothing resulted from this suggestion until he advanced the idea again the following spring to General John B. Murray. Murray, a civil war hero and intensely patriotic, supported the idea wholeheartedly and marshalled veterans' support. Plans were developed for a more complete celebration by a local citizens' committee headed by Welles and Murray.

On May 5, 1866, the Village was decorated with flags at half mast, draped with evergreens and mourning black. Veterans, civic societies and residents, led by General Murray, marched to the strains of martial music to the three village cemeteries. There impressive ceremonies were held and soldiers' graves decorated. One year later, on May 5, 1867, the ceremonies were repeated. In 1868, Waterloo joined with other communities in holding their observance on May 30th, in accordance with General Logan's orders. It has been held annually ever since.
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Very well said, I wish I could thank it more than once. We must remember though, that the elected politicians in this era(at least) are just the public face, and not at the root of the problem. I'm writing this in hopes it can in any way contribute to preventing human beings and our liberties from being reduced to memories.

I have great respect for those who paid the ultimate price whether they did so by choice or not. At the same time, I have great contempt for those who sent them into harms way unconstitutionally. We've been conditioned to not even talk about it anymore, for fear of not looking "patriotic", when the exact opposite is true. The more one studies the various wars we've been involved in, the longer one has to go back to find a single war that can even be argued was in our best interest(google "Balfour Declaration") let alone necessary, including the travesty we call the "Civil" War, and the beginning of the fall of the Constitution immediately thereafter.

More of our troops die by their own hand(suicide) than at the hands of any imagined foreign enemy now. Far more have severe physical and mental wounds that will forever effect them and their families. It's for both of those sentences I am including this non-partisan video link, On The Dark Side(nothing to do with my avatar) In Al Doura. It could be called miraculous that this story lived to reach us, and on behalf of every member of the armed forces I'm posting it to make sure this soldier and many others like him are first known, and then remembered.





If we cherish what our founding fathers gave us, it's the duty of each of us in our own way to make sure our republic is restored and our freedoms preserved/restored as well. The most important battlefield is in our hearts and minds(the media is the most powerful branch of all government, and relatively few question it), and I can't in good conscience pass this rare opportunity in here to say that Ron Paul(in other words, the Constitution) received more donations from those who list their main employer as the military than all other candidates of any party combined!!! It's time we honor the troops(living and dead) by actually listening to what they said with their wallets and as AlaskaSU said, honoring the Constitution they swore an oath to defend.


Very poor taste to post this today. But why am I not surprised? Somebody was bound to, given the overwhelming political slant of these boards.
 
A great thread...whether ARMY, AIR FORCE, NAVY, MARINES, COAST GUARD, MILITARY POLICE, AG'S, SEALS, GREEN BERET, DELTA, (who did I miss)...and throughout the United States it seems this day has become a cook out--beach day instead of one CELEBRATING those who served...and by serving gave their life to protect the GOODNESS AND RIGHTS of all of us...

So to those who served, to those who aided, to those who have had family members provide the security for all our hopes, rights, and security...I say thanks to all of you...and that you will be remembered in our hearts and thoughts every day...not just today!

AND THANK YOU TO SUINTHEVILLE FOR STARTING THIS THREAD!

It's Good to be 'Cuse!!!!
 
A great thread...whether ARMY, AIR FORCE, NAVY, MARINES, COAST GUARD, MILITARY POLICE, AG'S, SEALS, GREEN BERET, DELTA, (who did I miss)...and throughout the United States it seems this day has become a cook out--beach day instead of one CELEBRATING those who served...and by serving gave their life to protect the GOODNESS AND RIGHTS of all of us...

So to those who served, to those who aided, to those who have had family members provide the security for all our hopes, rights, and security...I say thanks to all of you...and that you will be remembered in our hearts and thoughts every day...not just today!

AND THANK YOU TO SUINTHEVILLE FOR STARTING THIS THREAD!

It's Good to be 'Cuse!!!!
Here's another one from Friday.
http://syracusefan.com/threads/ot-happy-memorial-day.52675/
 
You are so right Jim. I guess that's what I meant as well in my OP, didn't mean for Memorial Day to be confused with Veterans' Day. Either way, I salute those who are or have fought for us, and certainly remember those whose lives were lost fighting for America. Prayers to their families too.

IMO veterans and active duty should be honored everyday... Memorial Day is the special day for the ultimate sacrafice.

Jarhead and others thanks for your service. To those who have passed in service like my great uncle and too many others - we remember you today.
 
Very well said, I wish I could thank it more than once. We must remember though, that the elected politicians in this era(at least) are just the public face, and not at the root of the problem. I'm writing this in hopes it can in any way contribute to preventing human beings and our liberties from being reduced to memories.

I have great respect for those who paid the ultimate price whether they did so by choice or not. At the same time, I have great contempt for those who sent them into harms way unconstitutionally. We've been conditioned to not even talk about it anymore, for fear of not looking "patriotic", when the exact opposite is true. The more one studies the various wars we've been involved in, the longer one has to go back to find a single war that can even be argued was in our best interest(google "Balfour Declaration") let alone necessary, including the travesty we call the "Civil" War, and the beginning of the fall of the Constitution immediately thereafter.

More of our troops die by their own hand(suicide) than at the hands of any imagined foreign enemy now. Far more have severe physical and mental wounds that will forever effect them and their families. It's for both of those sentences I am including this non-partisan video link, On The Dark Side(nothing to do with my avatar) In Al Doura. It could be called miraculous that this story lived to reach us, and on behalf of every member of the armed forces I'm posting it to make sure this soldier and many others like him are first known, and then remembered.





If we cherish what our founding fathers gave us, it's the duty of each of us in our own way to make sure our republic is restored and our freedoms preserved/restored as well. The most important battlefield is in our hearts and minds(the media is the most powerful branch of all government, and relatively few question it), and I can't in good conscience pass this rare opportunity in here to say that Ron Paul(in other words, the Constitution) received more donations from those who list their main employer as the military than all other candidates of any party combined!!! It's time we honor the troops(living and dead) by actually listening to what they said with their wallets and as AlaskaSU said, honoring the Constitution they swore an oath to defend.



"including the travesty we call the "Civil" War, and the beginning of the fall of the Constitution immediately thereafter."

So true. It was a crisis with no good solution. On one hand there was slavery and the other hand there was states rights. The former could not end without killing the latter. The death of the state leaves the individual at the mercy of big government, a fate that the Revolutionary soldiers and Founding Fathers fought to prevent. There is no longer countervailing power to challenge the ever expanding Federal Gvt with its unbounded appetite for regulation and confiscation.
 
Very poor taste to post this today. But why am I not surprised? Somebody was bound to, given the overwhelming political slant of these boards.

I didn't intend to start an argument(in an already off-topic thread), because I enjoy this board a great deal(or else I'd be happy to respectfully ask what parts you disagreed with) and I like the folks on here. Instead, I offer this hopefully satisfactory explanation of why I felt it was important to write what I wrote.

It's ok to be a fan of sports and their traditions, but we know darned well that those who sacrificed so much to give birth to this nation would be sickened to see blind fans of the government, and societal traditions that in any manner empower it to operate unchecked. They continually warned us that if we were not vigilant, we would lose what they gave us. What we call "patriotism" today is a false and sickening replacement of the patriotism our founders displayed in word and deed, just as is the case with the current state of many religions who in practice are in opposition to the very essence of the original teachings, regardless of how many links in the chain of progression/possession are made with good intent. This is where the danger of idol worship mentioned by the latter can become apparent.

I almost gutted my post a number of times, but in the end I dealt with my own inner conflict by doing what I thought and/or felt was right to honor both the fallen and the living. It wasn't that long ago I myself was on the other side of the fence. The fallen died "in defense of the Constitution"(from all enemies, foreign and domestic), and it would seem logical they would be more honored by those joining them in defense of the tattered Constitution rather than by those partaking of things that make us feel good like parades, hot dogs, and beer. Those and other traditions can be the tools of the politicians and other marketers, and it's obvious they work well.

There is nothing wrong with us feeling good by numbing our own brains if we choose to do so, but let us not do so at the expense of the very thing those we are supposedly honoring supposedly died defending. If we do so, we are fooling ourselves and disrespecting them and our nation. Before the revolution, patriots like Thomas Payne offended tradition and wrote(fought on the most important battlefield of all), or this nation would not exist.

I'm not asking anyone to answer out loud, but is it wrong to consider in a little less shallow depth what these men, women, and children lost their lives for? Recall on Christmas in WW1 that soldiers from both sides set aside their differences in one of the greatest displays of humanity in the history of modern warfare. http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/a/christmastruce.htm Neither group of soldiers were the "bad guys"(or more different than alike) for doing what they believed was right(those who were engineered the beginning of the war were the evil men), or were forced to do by draft. My grandfather was in WW2, and I respect him for doing what he thought was right. Like a tiny version of Payne(and to others a pain), I made a choice that I hope will both honor the dead and the spirit in which they fought, and maybe in some small way help contribute to preventing more of the living from joining them. After all, the first inalienable right our founders listed above all others was the right to life, without which the others would not exist. If you can read all of this and somehow consider it in poor taste(or spirit), that is your right also, and I sincerely respect it and you for doing what you think/feel is right.
 
"Before the revolution, patriots like Thomas Payne offended tradition andwrote(fought on the most important battlefield of all), or this nation would not exist."

Thomas Payne actively opposed adoption of the Constitution. He argued that it would be corrupted over time.
 
I didn't intend to start an argument(in an already off-topic thread), because I enjoy this board a great deal(or else I'd be happy to respectfully ask what parts you disagreed with) and I like the folks on here. Instead, I offer this hopefully satisfactory explanation of why I felt it was important to write what I wrote.

It's ok to be a fan of sports and their traditions, but we know darned well that those who sacrificed so much to give birth to this nation would be sickened to see blind fans of the government, and societal traditions that in any manner empower it to operate unchecked. They continually warned us that if we were not vigilant, we would lose what they gave us. What we call "patriotism" today is a false and sickening replacement of the patriotism our founders displayed in word and deed, just as is the case with the current state of many religions who in practice are in opposition to the very essence of the original teachings, regardless of how many links in the chain of progression/possession are made with good intent. This is where the danger of idol worship mentioned by the latter can become apparent.

I almost gutted my post a number of times, but in the end I dealt with my own inner conflict by doing what I thought and/or felt was right to honor both the fallen and the living. It wasn't that long ago I myself was on the other side of the fence. The fallen died "in defense of the Constitution"(from all enemies, foreign and domestic), and it would seem logical they would be more honored by those joining them in defense of the tattered Constitution rather than by those partaking of things that make us feel good like parades, hot dogs, and beer. Those and other traditions can be the tools of the politicians and other marketers, and it's obvious they work well.

There is nothing wrong with us feeling good by numbing our own brains if we choose to do so, but let us not do so at the expense of the very thing those we are supposedly honoring supposedly died defending. If we do so, we are fooling ourselves and disrespecting them and our nation. Before the revolution, patriots like Thomas Payne offended tradition and wrote(fought on the most important battlefield of all), or this nation would not exist.

I'm not asking anyone to answer out loud, but is it wrong to consider in a little less shallow depth what these men, women, and children lost their lives for? Recall on Christmas in WW1 that soldiers from both sides set aside their differences in one of the greatest displays of humanity in the history of modern warfare. http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/a/christmastruce.htm Neither group of soldiers were the "bad guys"(or more different than alike) for doing what they believed was right(those who were engineered the beginning of the war were the evil men), or were forced to do by draft. My grandfather was in WW2, and I respect him for doing what he thought was right. Like a tiny version of Payne(and to others a pain), I made a choice that I hope will both honor the dead and the spirit in which they fought, and maybe in some small way help contribute to preventing more of the living from joining them. After all, the first inalienable right our founders listed above all others was the right to life, without which the others would not exist. If you can read all of this and somehow consider it in poor taste(or spirit), that is your right also, and I sincerely respect it and you for doing what you think/feel is right.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. It was and is not so much what you wrote - believe me, as someone who actually lived through the consequences of Big Government I can sympathize with a Libertarian point of view (albeit considering it narrow minded). What was in poor taste, IMO, was the attached video. Yesterday was not about stressing the cause of the inherent evil of human nature, its side effects, or possible corruption of the sacrifice of our military - it was more about the consequence of being on the "good" side of history. As someone else said: shut up and praise the dead (or something to that effect). Nothing to do with BBQ, really.
 
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. It was and is not so much what you wrote - believe me, as someone who actually lived through the consequences of Big Government I can sympathize with a Libertarian point of view (albeit considering it narrow minded). What was in poor taste, IMO, was the attached video. Yesterday was not about stressing the cause of the inherent evil of human nature, its side effects, or possible corruption of the sacrifice of our military - it was more about the consequence of being on the "good" side of history. As someone else said: shut up and praise the dead (or something to that effect). Nothing to do with BBQ, really.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Sometimes I get wound up on an issue that really tears at my heart. Let me clarify that I was close to being the 3rd straight generation of enlisted men in my family, and for all I know could have been one of the nameless numbers being honored here today if I had not backed out after visiting 3 different branches' recruiting offices. I love my country, everyone in it, and everyone not in it... but it has taken me quite awhile to come to those set of beliefs.

I think we may have crossed wires on the good/evil in human nature, as I tried to point out the Christmas of 1914, unless I misunderstood you. Those men didn't hate each other, they were only following orders. The overwhelming majority of Americans didn't want to be in ww1(or ww2), but we needed the false flag of the Lusitania, even after the Germans posted an ad in our newspapers for it not to sail into those waters. I've tried to lavish the dead with praise far more thoughtful than the greeting card stuff that is mostly seen.

As for being on the right side of history, I guess that just depends on how much we have had an opportunity to be exposed to outside of the mainstream media. Again, I was in no way trying to knock the bravery the dead showed, whether they enlisted or were drafted. I laughed at the reply to Alaska's post you mentioned(shut up and praise the dead!), and I am doing so by hoping to fan the embers of liberty within the hearts of each of us. That video was important, and as someone who has survived a TBI and deals with the "life" of ptsd, I have a soft spot in my heart for all the people coming back alive but at times facing a personal hell, as well as the families and communities effected.

I think the soldier the video was about would want to be remembered for all of his decorations, and have the world know what happened to him and anyone like him who stepped "out of line" to do the right thing. I'm not sure how anyone could watch that and not feel empathy for the soldiers, regardless of what they think about anything else. Torture is supposed to be reserved for the enemy.

Ok, I am going to shut up and honor the dead, as if the only way to do so according to some here is for "good men to sit idly by and remain silent". I just think that honoring the unconstitutional death sentence they were given is dishonoring them. Until people have had enough, there will be an guaranteed line joining them, and I'm trying to honor them before it is too late. I didn't mean to write this much, but too much caffeine sometimes does that. My heart is with the families of the fallen/wounded, I'm trying to help the only way I can currently think of.
 

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