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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 1256773, member: 237"] Neither of the two holds you are trying to show... are holds. Suh is using his arm to get over the olineman so at this moment it looks like a hold. If the lineman grabs the pads or jersey or closelines him its a hold. If he disengages and tries to re-engage its not. The other one the lineman is driving the outside rusher away. Again it looks like a hold and it is not. You will see pictures as such nearly every single down. As well as true holds to boot. There was a great article by a former giants offensive lineman talking about it. Its really as bad as the catch rules. Needs to be amended. And then again... its hard to understand half these rules anymore the way the NFL goes. [/QUOTE]