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Message: [QUOTE="Melancer46, post: 2351416, member: 1674"] How good is "that good" though? He was never really a top 10 active player in the NBA, much less a top 50 of all-time. Don't get me wrong, he had a great career. But for me at least, when discussing the best players of all-time, I care far more about greatness, even if only for 7ish seasons versus being pretty good but not great for 10+. It's essentially the same reason I don't think Eli Manning should be a Hall of Famer in the NFL. [/QUOTE]