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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 1068884, member: 837"] Yeah, I don't know that any big time athletics university is *really* good at actually holding these guys accountable, but relative to most universities SU is probably pretty solid and ND is about as good as it gets. There may be some that are better but not many, particularly when you take into account that ND athletes actually have to meet the same curriculum requirements as the rest of the students. Now, does ND rub people the wrong way from a "holier than thou" perspective? Yeah. Do they have a bunch of obnoxious alumni? I guess. But I never quite understand the blind hatred. I guess it's because ND should join a conference for some reason even though they don't need to, but it's just strange IMO. [/QUOTE]