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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 335686, member: 363"] Now, I would never make the comment that they are the best in the world, there are a few decent ones out there, decent. Not great, it's come a long ways in the past 15 years. I am not a huge fan of buttery, heavy oak, chardonnays. That said, any decent NYS wine due to the lack of grapes is going to be at least $30 range. Personally, I think the best wines in the world are hands down French and Italian not a huge fan of many of the Cali Reds, too overdone IMO. If I wanted to chew on a piece of Oak or tobacco, I would do just that Somehow, I will always associate NYS wines with Pint glasses filled with Ice and Sangria and I am NYS enthusiast minus the outrageous taxes and the best restauarants in NYS minus NYC are in Saratoga as well not Ithaca, there is not one good restaurant in Skany FWIW all of course IMO [/QUOTE]