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[QUOTE="Townie72, post: 335755, member: 780"]
I have relatives who live on Canadaigua Lakes and I have been wine tasted to death up there as these proud Central New Yorkers have attempted to show me that NY State produces very good wine. They know I have spent a lot of time in Europe and have at least some knowledge gained over the years. (Neither one of these people do and they'd be perfectly happy to swill California chardonnay from a box if no one were looking. In other words, they are typical Americans). But you just can't compare NYS whites even with less than $25 Sancere or Pouilly Fume or a good Alsatian Chablis or Gewurztraminer. And that's the whites.
 
French wine is the world's best because 1.) They've been at it for 1,000 years and 2.) The population knows the difference. 3.) They have huge range of soil and the climate and they know what works where.  The problem is that with such a huge range of available wines its hard to know which ones you are going to like.
 
My advice to most Americans who want good wine at a reasonable price is Spanish reds. Just remember these words, "Rioja" or Ribera del Duero" and than "Crianza" or "Riserva" or "Gran Riserva". Put the wine in the refrigerator 20 minutes before you serve it and compare that to NYS wine. Or better yet, don't.
 
I have recently started drinking Pinot Noir from the Willamette Valley in Oregon. It can be very good. But it depends on the year as their climate is fickle ... hot and dry one summer and cool and wet the next.
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