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Message: [QUOTE="General20, post: 3008799, member: 724"] I see it a lot where people complain about national trends as if they only happen where they live. Infrastructure is not an upstate problem, it's a country wide problem. I can't speak for Rochester but the grades Syracuse got for its infrastructure were slightly better than national averages across the board. Every city as infrastructure problems, more than half the places have it worse than us. With litter, I again can't speak to Rochester, but Syracuse's clean up always happens in late April/early May. It seems a new trend for people to complain about litter in early April as if they never took note of when clean up has always happened. One thing I know for sure about both Rochester and Syracuse (and Albany too). They rank above average in every quality of life metric, except one ... net migration. Upstate New York has some of the best quality of life anyplace in the world. All it had ever needed is better marketing. [/QUOTE]