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Message: [QUOTE="BuffOrange, post: 1148793, member: 1643"] Fair points. We always try to make things an either/or but I think both things are true - he's been overcoached and is a trainwreck independent of that. I think even the Bills knew he wasn't a 1st round pick if not for the athleticism (and most thought he wasn't anyway) so...What was the plan with him this year? Guard is definitely a problem but when that's basically your only glaring non-QB sore spot, you ought to be an above average if not very good team if you get competent QB play. No team is perfect. I know that sideline fade prayer that always lands about three yards out of bounds won't be missed. JFC who else does that in the 2014 NFL. [/QUOTE]