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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeDW, post: 1039106, member: 2458"] I think you're completely misinterpreting what he meant by "ceiling". He wasn't using it in the "what Payton could've been" sense. He was using it meaning at their respective bests, Payton was better. I thought that was clear. Yes, Stockton got more assists. That's one aspect of what good PG's do. Payton won NBA defensive player of the year and made first team all defense 9 times...things Stockton never did. They each had a few advantages over the other. Close call either way. [/QUOTE]