"Our 9/11"

[NKR1978]

http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/

It's almost not even fun laughing at them any more, but they really do make it too easy.

 

[All4SU]

At least the people in the comments section get it.

 

[Cuseman78]

I'll say it again. The majority of them are sick .

 

[Cusee44]

 

[Faegan]

Sick. This is the kind of thing that makes me think the program should have been shut down forever.

 

[javadoc]

Shows that vacating Paterno's victories was a very smart move. That is the one thing that will get under the skin of those parochial wretches.

"Paterno really is the wins leader" = "We care more about a game than about the children that were raped through Paterno's enabling." For shame.

 

[NKR1978]

Shows that vacating Paterno's victories was a very smart move. That is the one thing that will get under the skin of those parochial wretches.

"Paterno really is the wins leader" = "We care more about a game than about the children that were raped through Paterno's enabling." For shame.

I'd love to ask one of the cult members if JoePa would have acted the same way if it had been one of his grandsons that McQuearey saw Sandusky raping. I imagine their brain (it is a singular collective brain) would not be able to compute. It's their version of "can God create an object so heavy that even he can't lift?"

Also - this is from their McAndrew board.
http://bwi./showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=156515582&mid=156515582&sid=890&style=2

 

[AirForceOrange]

Most of the threads on this site about Ped St fanatics losing their minds I have taken people's word about what was said and not read the links. I did read this one and literally felt sick to my stomach! Really?!?! 9/11...really?!?! Wow...talk about completely out of touch with what is important here...the victims (both 9/11 and Sandusky's). You are comparing yourselves to the victims of 9/11?!?! WOW!!!

 

[Jake]

Sick twisted.

 

[rrlbees]

And yet some people still think we shouldn't find a replacement game and dump their sick school.

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[AirForceOrange]

And yet some people still think we shouldn't find a replacement game and dump their sick school.

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You know if SU still plays Ped St (like the name you gave them Bees) then you know they will bring up the Fine Mess even though it will be almost two years past. Can just see the jokes now...The Ped Bowl...would really like to see SU dump them because of this...

 

[NKR1978]

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'm not making execuses for that statement because obviously that person is beyond delusional and even trying to equate the two is beyond assinine. However, I dont get why most on this board are shocked a majority of there fans are devestated and furious about the sanctions themselves, what are they suppose to do celebrate the fact there going to be a mess for at least the next 5 years? If the SU basketball team got similar sanctions for some reason this place would make Chernobyl look like disney world and our fans would be beyond devestated. * Please note I am talking about the sanctions themselves and how there fan base is reacting not the actions of Sandusky those are obviously heinous and beyond a nightmare.*

 

[NKR1978]

I'm not making execuses for that statement because obviously that person is beyond delusional and even trying to equate the two is beyond assinine. However, I dont get why most on this board are shocked a majority of there fans are devestated and furious about the sanctions themselves, what are they suppose to do celebrate the fact there going to be a mess for at least the next 5 years? If the SU basketball team got similar sanctions for some reason this place would make Chernobyl look like disney world and our fans would be beyond devestated. * Please note I am talking about the sanctions themselves and how there fan base is reacting not the actions of Sandusky those are obviously heinous and beyond a nightmare.*

If the Fine situation amounted to 10% of the institutional depravity shown by PSU's administration then I personally would want the program shut down for a year, along with other penalties.

A lot of people here expressed that view or similar at the height of the scandal. Many were calling for JB to be fired before learning all the facts. I don't recall those posters being demonized here like similar posters are on the PSU forums. So I don't necessarily agree with your premise.
There would be some delusion and insanity here, but far less than the 80-90% of the PSU internet fan base that think somehow that they and Joe Paterno are actually victims.

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[Faegan]

I'm not making execuses for that statement because obviously that person is beyond delusional and even trying to equate the two is beyond assinine. However, I dont get why most on this board are shocked a majority of there fans are devestated and furious about the sanctions themselves, what are they suppose to do celebrate the fact there going to be a mess for at least the next 5 years? If the SU basketball team got similar sanctions for some reason this place would make Chernobyl look like disney world and our fans would be beyond devestated. * Please note I am talking about the sanctions themselves and how there fan base is reacting not the actions of Sandusky those are obviously heinous and beyond a nightmare.*

Jeremy,

There is a huge difference between being devastated by the sanctions and equating it to 9/11. You're sitting on the fence on this one. There is also a difference between being "devastated" and being "furious." You're lumping them together.

If the Bernie Fine situation even approached the level of what Sandusky did, and what the administrators/coaches did in the aftermath, I would be devastated but fine with the sanctions.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I always go back to Fitzpatrick saying in his press conference that comparing PSU and SU situations is "not only inaccurate, but also unfair."

 

[JeremyCuse]

Jeremy,

There is a huge difference between being devastated by the sanctions and equating it to 9/11. You're sitting on the fence on this one. There is also a difference between being "devastated" and being "furious." You're lumping them together.

If the Bernie Fine situation even approached the level of what Sandusky did, and what the administrators/coaches did in the aftermath, I would be devastated but fine with the sanctions.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I always go back to Fitzpatrick saying in his press conference that comparing PSU and SU situations is "not only inaccurate, but also unfair."

I respect your opinion but as I noted in my post I wasnt referring to the 9/11 post I was referring to posters on this board taking exception to PSU fans/posters being furious, devestated etc by the sanctions themselves not that 9/11 article. I am in no way associating what SU went through to Sandusky there not even in the same building, level, league whatever phrase you want to use. Only point I am trying to make is that I find it funny that people are acting shocked PSU fans are going nuts about the sanctions and are furious, what diehard fan wouldnt be livid over what they feel is unfair penalties. I dont necessarily agree with there sentiments but I can understand where they are coming from.

 

[JeremyCuse]

If the Fine situation amounted to 10% of the institutional depravity shown by PSU's administration then I personally would want the program shut down for a year, along with other penalties.

A lot of people here expressed that view or similar at the height of the scandal. Many were calling for JB to be fired before learning all the facts. I don't recall those posters being demonized here like similar posters are on the PSU forums. So I don't necessarily agree with your premise.
There would be some delusion and insanity here, but far less than the 80-90% of the PSU internet fan base that think somehow that they and Joe Paterno are actually victims.

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Were talking about two different things, I am strictly talking about the sanctions themselves that were levied against PSU and the reaction of most PSU fans. My point is if that SU received those kind of penalties regardless of the reason this fan base would be just as crazied and up in arms regardless of the reason why. Not taking a shot at you but people who say they have no problem with shutting the program down if this was SU are saying that because its not SU, if suddenly we were in danger of losing a season or two due to a death penalty opinions on this board would flip quickly.

 

[longtimefan]

http://wnep.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-sanctions-grads-react/

It's almost not even fun laughing at them any more, but they really do make it too easy.

I think that the PSU community--or at least the the athletics part of it--has their collective head in the sand. An example, culled from the laxpower board, but covering much more than men's lacrosse:

To the posters who inexplicably seem to be rooting for the PSU lax program to take a step backwards and for Coach Tambroni to bolt as a result of the horrific Penn State scandal ( yes I know... You are not rooting for the demise of the program but just pointing out facts and realities... just like the rival coaches are calling Coach T's recruits to "just check in and see how they're doing"). I would point out to those posters as Coach T outlines in the IL article that the key factors prospective student athletes and their parents evaluate when choosing a school are probably right on - and the question then is what really has changed?​

1. Academics ( Reputation, Rankings, Diversity of Majors and Course Offerings, Ability to attract employers to campus)​

2. Lax Program ( Coaching Staff, Lax and & Athletic facilities, Schedule / Level of Competition)​

3. College Experience ( Campus Aesthetics, Diverse Student body, DIverse Cultural opportunities, Vibrant social scene AND Big time college athletics)​

What really has changed on this list as a result of the scandal and its aftermath? Penn State competes very well in all these areas and will continue to do so. Surely the Penn State brand has been temporarily tarnished, but the individuals who shirked their moral reponsibilities have been removed and purged from the community and will be held accountable for their inaction. The Penn State brand will recover, Fortune 500 companes like mine will still be flocking to State College this fall to recruit graduating seniors. If a big time college athletics atmosphere on Saturday afternoons is important to you, you will still have it. Football has not stopped, it will be different no doubt as PSU struggles to compete in the short term, but I would wager the game day atmosphere with 100,000+ people descending on Stae College will still be there. The PSU alumni base is a very loyal group and I see them banding together to help Bill O'Brien build a new and different legacy.​

 

[NKR1978]

Were talking about two different things, I am strictly talking about the sanctions themselves that were levied against PSU and the reaction of most PSU fans. My point is if that SU received those kind of penalties regardless of the reason this fan base would be just as crazied and up in arms regardless of the reason why. Not taking a shot at you but people who say they have no problem with shutting the program down if this was SU are saying that because its not SU, if suddenly we were in danger of losing a season or two due to a death penalty opinions on this board would flip quickly.

You're right, I misinterpreted the point you made. I don't have my contacts in and that my excuse.

I don't know if you've read their boards though. At least 75-80% of their fans don't think they deserve any punishment. They wanted the chance to say "goodbye" to the freaking statue.

You're right about being furious and devastated, but thinking the university should be allowed to go on as if nothing happened...personally that's why I don't feel bad piling on.

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[JeremyCuse]

Jeremy,

There is a huge difference between being devastated by the sanctions and equating it to 9/11. You're sitting on the fence on this one. There is also a difference between being "devastated" and being "furious." You're lumping them together.

If the Bernie Fine situation even approached the level of what Sandusky did, and what the administrators/coaches did in the aftermath, I would be devastated but fine with the sanctions.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I always go back to Fitzpatrick saying in his press conference that comparing PSU and SU situations is "not only inaccurate, but also unfair."

Again just to clarify I am just referring to there fans being upset about the sanctions, any fan who thinks Paterno is somehow a victim or isnt at fault is delusional and kidding themselves.

 

[JeremyCuse]

You're right, I misinterpreted the point you made. I don't have my contacts in and that my excuse.

I don't know if you've read their boards though. At least 75-80% of their fans don't think they deserve any punishment. They wanted the chance to say "goodbye" to the freaking statue.

You're right about being furious and devastated, but thinking the university should be allowed to go on as if nothing happened...personally that's why I don't feel bad piling on.

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No worries, I actually agree with most of your post. I havent read much of there board at all but I actually dont disagree with the penalties and the fact some wanted to say goodbye to the statue or that the university should just go on as you noted is an absolute joke. I just wanted to point out that I found it odd and a bit nieve that people would be surprised PSU fans would be upset about sanctions that basically decimate a program for half a decade at least.

 

[orangenirvana]

My point is if that SU received those kind of penalties regardless of the reason this fan base would be just as crazied and up in arms regardless of the reason why.

I don't believe this to be true at all.

And if it was true then my opinion of the Syracuse U fanbase would plummet and I would personally have to disassociate myself from it.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I don't believe this to be true at all.

And if it was true then my opinion of the Syracuse U fanbase would plummet and I would personally have to disassociate myself from it.

Have you seen this place after a loss or the thread during the Nerlens Noel auction I mean recruitment. This place gets nasty if we arent in the top 15 all year, how do you think being banned by the NCAA from the tourney from four years would go over?

 

[alphaorange]

Have you seen this place after a loss or the thread during the Nerlens Noel auction I mean recruitment. This place gets nasty if we arent in the top 15 all year, how do you think being banned by the NCAA from the tourney from four years would go over?

I don't think you give SU fans enough credit. Would there be some fans that sound like the PSU fans? Sure. Some. But if we were guilty of something the magnitude and level of sub human behavior of this, I believe you would see fans here calling for a total cleansing, including JB's head, if, in fact, he was part and parcel of said actions. Hell, there were people calling for his head even as the Fine situation was working its way out, and that was still innuendo and accusation.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I don't think you give SU fans enough credit. Would there be some fans that sound like the PSU fans? Sure. Some. But if we were guilty of something the magnitude and level of sub human behavior of this, I believe you would see fans here calling for a total cleansing, including JB's head, if, in fact, he was part and parcel of said actions. Hell, there were people calling for his head even as the Fine situation was working its way out, and that was still innuendo and accusation.

Sorry but I am talking about specifically about how fans would react if we received similar sanctions not sanctions due to the horrendous actions at Penn State. I am talking about in general if SU somehow was levied these sanctions say for some type of other NCAA violations. Although lets say the Fine situation did occur and we were hit with sanctions, I think the board would still be up in arms as long as there was no long term cover up like the PSU admin.