Out if the big 4 conference title games who would have the SEC title game would be least compelling

[Alsacs]

PAC-12 #11 Arizona v. # 2 Oregon. Zona already beat the Ducks in Autzen this year.
Big Ten # 14 Wisconsin v. # 5 Ohio State. Buckeyes down to their 3rd QB and with a win would likely pass the Bevo champion.
ACC #10? Georgia Tech v. #3 Florida State. Who would have thought this would be a battle of top 10 teams and FSU looking potentially rip to be upset.
SEC #15? Missouri v. #1 Alabama. Of all 4 games this seems this least likely to be compelling or capable of an upset. If Bama doesn't win by 14+pts I would be shocked.

 

[SmilinBob]

If FSU loses the ACC will not have a rep in the final 4. You good old when you lose crap will come into play.

 

[omniorange]

If FSU loses the ACC will not have a rep in the final 4. You good old when you lose crap will come into play.

Will this be true if Alabama loses to Mizzou or Oregon loses to Arizona?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[SmilinBob]

Will this be true if Alabama loses to Mizzou or Oregon loses to Arizona?

Cheers,
Neil

They would have 2 losses to FSU's one and it's the comparison of one loss team that worries me, the last loss thing. It could get very interesting and why an 8 is the answer to this not 4.

 

[omniorange]

They would have 2 losses to FSU's one and it's the comparison of one loss team that worries me, the last loss thing. It could get very interesting and why an 8 is the answer to this not 4.

But that one loss would be to a GT squad that finishes the season beating Clemson, UGA, and then FSU. They couldn't put Oregon in after losing twice to Arizona. Alabama might still get in with 2 losses, but a loss to Mizzou is much shakier than an FSU loss to GT.

So, I think the only real danger for FSU (if they lose) is if both Alabama and Oregon win, the Noles could lose out their spot to the second Big 12 team, assuming both of them win this week or OSU if they drum Wisconsin. A close win over Wisconsin will likely not get the Buckeyes in the playoffs.

And yes, 8 is better than 4, but we aren't there yet.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[SmilinBob]

But that one loss would be to a GT squad that finishes the season beating Clemson, UGA, and then FSU. They couldn't put Oregon in after losing twice to Arizona. Alabama might still get in with 2 losses, but a loss to Mizzou is much shakier than an FSU loss to GT.

So, I think the only real danger for FSU (if they lose) is if both Alabama and Oregon win, the Noles could lose out their spot to the second Big 12 team, assuming both of them win this week or OSU if they drum Wisconsin. A close win over Wisconsin will likely not get the Buckeyes in the playoffs.

And yes, 8 is better than 4, but we aren't there yet.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree...If TCU/Baylor win out and OSU along with Bama and Oregon (all 1 loss) it will be the last loss theory that will do FSU in even though the loss will be to a 2 loss GT. I see TCU/Baylor and FSU getting screwed. Now, if it were OU instead of TCU or Baylor with 1 loss then the Big 12 would have a 1 loss team in the final 4. It's always about the brand.

 

[Scooch]

I was thinking that this is probably the best ACC Championship game ever.

Looking back at the previous nine games, none featured two teams with better combined rankings that what we're getting with FSU and GaTech...

2005: #5 VaTech vs. #22 FSU
2006: #16 Wake Forest vs. #22 GaTech
2007: #5 VaTech vs. #12 BC
2008: #20 BC vs. #25 VaTech
2009: #10 GaTech vs. #25 Clemson
2010: #11 VaTech vs. #20 FSU
2011: #5 VaTech vs. #21 Clemson
2012: #12 FSU vs. #25 GaTech
2013: #1 FSU vs. #20 Duke

Man, that dream that Swofford had of annual rematches between FSU and Miami sure has been a colossal bust.

 

[Chip]

The Big 12 either is the big winner and gets 2 teams in the playoff due to their lack of a conference championship game.

Or Alabama, Oregon, FSU, Ohio State all win this week, and the Big 12 gets zero teams in the playoff due to their lack of a conference championship game.

If Zona, K State, Wisconsin, GT all win this week, who rises to the top of the 2 loss teams? In my opinion, it should be Arizona first, GT second.

 

[omniorange]

I was thinking that this is probably the best ACC Championship game ever.

Looking back at the previous nine games, none featured two teams with better combined rankings that what we're getting with FSU and GaTech...

2005: #5 VaTech vs. #22 FSU
2006: #16 Wake Forest vs. #22 GaTech
2007: #5 VaTech vs. #12 BC
2008: #20 BC vs. #25 VaTech
2009: #10 GaTech vs. #25 Clemson
2010: #11 VaTech vs. #20 FSU
2011: #5 VaTech vs. #21 Clemson
2012: #12 FSU vs. #25 GaTech
2013: #1 FSU vs. #20 Duke

Man, that dream that Swofford had of annual rematches between FSU and Miami sure has been a colossal bust.

The fact that Miami hasn't been able to win any Coastal Division championships speaks for itself. Sure would help the ACC's football profile if they got back on track.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Millhouse]

I was thinking that this is probably the best ACC Championship game ever.

Looking back at the previous nine games, none featured two teams with better combined rankings that what we're getting with FSU and GaTech...

2005: #5 VaTech vs. #22 FSU
2006: #16 Wake Forest vs. #22 GaTech
2007: #5 VaTech vs. #12 BC
2008: #20 BC vs. #25 VaTech
2009: #10 GaTech vs. #25 Clemson
2010: #11 VaTech vs. #20 FSU
2011: #5 VaTech vs. #21 Clemson
2012: #12 FSU vs. #25 GaTech
2013: #1 FSU vs. #20 Duke

Man, that dream that Swofford had of annual rematches between FSU and Miami sure has been a colossal bust.

Jamies Winston is having Nassib's senior year. Which is fine. I've never seen a drop off like that. And they're still some how undefeated.

1st in rating to 32nd in a year.

I don't care about ACC representation, I want a better teams and better games in the final 4

 

[omniorange]

The Big 12 either is the big winner and gets 2 teams in the playoff due to their lack of a conference championship game.

Or Alabama, Oregon, FSU, Ohio State all win this week, and the Big 12 gets zero teams in the playoff due to their lack of a conference championship game.

If Zona, K State, Wisconsin, GT all win this week, who rises to the top of the 2 loss teams? In my opinion, it should be Arizona first, GT second.

Not sure it matters, because I don't see any of them beating out 1 loss Baylor and TCU, a 2 loss Alabama team, a 1-loss FSU team, but agree that Arizona would jump up to 5th and GT to sixth.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Alsacs]

Bevo will not get both TCU/Baylor in the CFB playoff.
If Bama, Oregon, FSU, Ohio State all lost.
I think Arizona, TCU/Baylor, Bama, GT would get in.

 

[omniorange]

Jamies Winston is having Nassib's senior year. Which is fine. I've never seen a drop off like that. And they're still some how undefeated.

1st in rating to 32nd in a year.

I don't care about ACC representation, I want a better teams and better games in the final 4

What constitutes "better teams" is subjective. Is a two-loss Arizona team truly better than a 1-loss FSU team? Is a 1-loss OSU without their injured QB better than a 1-loss FSU with Winston, even if he is playing worse?

If Alabama, Oregon, Baylor and TCU win, then yes, they have earned it over a one-loss FSU team. But that is the likely scenario that I see whereby the case can be made that 1-loss FSU isn't one of the 4 best teams at the end.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Chip]

Not sure it matters, because I don't see any of them beating out 1 loss Baylor and TCU, a 2 loss Alabama team, a 1-loss FSU team, but agree that Arizona would jump up to 5th and GT to sixth.

Cheers,
Neil

K State's win would be over Baylor.

So you'd have Bama and TCU as the sure things at that point. Then what? You think FSU stays in? I think the committee might be looking for a reason to exit them based on how their games have gone. Haven't lost, but dropped to 3rd.

 

[omniorange]

K State's win would be over Baylor.

So you'd have Bama and TCU as the sure things at that point. Then what? You think FSU stays in? I think the committee might be looking for a reason to exit them based on how their games have gone. Haven't lost, but dropped to 3rd.

Sorry, slept the KState part, even though I bolded it. That actually increases 1 one loss FSU's chance of getting in.

I think they dropped FSU because they had near losses to some average teams. But I don't see them penalizing a loss to GT now after the UGA win. Had GT lost I think they would have (again assuming a loss to GT in the ACC 'ship game). But not now.

In the scenario where KState beats Baylor, then FSU and Arizona completes the bracket with Bama and TCU.

Seeding would be interesting with the Sugar and Rose the sites. If it were any other sites, I think it would be Bama vs Arizona and TCU vs FSU, but I could see them pushing FSU down to 4th to play Bama and have Arizona take on TCU in the other game, assuming there isn't a designated site that automatically gets the 1 seed (so let's say the Rose gets the 1 seed regardless) then it would be Bama vs Arizona and the Sugar would be TCU vs FSU. But if they get to manuever, I could see them justifying FSU being knocked down to 4th in this scenario and have FSU face Alabama in the Sugar and TCU face Arizona in the Rose for regional attractiveness.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Chip]

Sorry, slept the KState part, even though I bolded it. That actually increases 1 one loss FSU's chance of getting in.

I think they dropped FSU because they had near losses to some average teams. But I don't see them penalizing a loss to GT now after the UGA win. Had GT lost I think they would have (again assuming a loss to GT in the ACC 'ship game). But not now.

In the scenario where KState beats Baylor, then FSU and Arizona completes the bracket with Bama and TCU.

Seeding would be interesting with the Sugar and Rose the sites. If it were any other sites, I think it would be Bama vs Arizona and TCU vs FSU, but I could see them pushing FSU down to 4th to play Bama and have Arizona take on TCU in the other game, assuming there isn't a designated site that automatically gets the 1 seed (so let's say the Rose gets the 1 seed regardless) then it would be Bama vs Arizona and the Sugar would be TCU vs FSU. But if they get to manuever, I could see them justifying FSU being knocked down to 4th in this scenario and have FSU face Alabama in the Sugar and TCU face Arizona in the Rose for regional attractiveness.

Cheers,
Neil

Guess it would depend on the type of loss. If GT rolls them (and I actually think that's a possibility) that may change things.

I agree that in your scenario, they'd do everything they could to make it Bama-FSU in Sugar and Arizona-TCU in Rose.

This weekend (and really the whole season) is going to feel like the start of the playoffs.

 

[omniorange]

This weekend (and really the whole season) is going to feel like the start of the playoffs.

And this is why, while 8 is better than 4 to us, I don't see the playoff expanding to 8 anytime soon.

Outside of those teams fans, would anyone care who didn't get in from the likely 7, 8, 9, and 10 teams?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Eric15]

I know this is completely unrealistic, but I feel like it would be pretty cool if the ACC Title Game was played in Yankee Stadium every year.

 

[Chris02M]

PAC-12 #11 Arizona v. # 2 Oregon. Zona already beat the Ducks in Autzen this year.
Big Ten # 14 Wisconsin v. # 5 Ohio State. Buckeyes down to their 3rd QB and with a win would likely pass the Bevo champion.
ACC #10? Georgia Tech v. #3 Florida State. Who would have thought this would be a battle of top 10 teams and FSU looking potentially rip to be upset.
SEC #15? Missouri v. #1 Alabama. Of all 4 games this seems this least likely to be compelling or capable of an upset. If Bama doesn't win by 14+pts I would be shocked.

GT will be outside top 10 maybe 12 or 13