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Message: [QUOTE="Townie72, post: 1608119, member: 780"] You are right. Pointed in the wrong direction all that discipline and efficiency and intelligence facilitated history's worse crime. And no people have ever been as penitent as the Germans. But right now they are burying the rest of Europe economically. German cities are clean and safe. Ours are like war zones and getting worse. They manufacture BMWs and MB's in urban areas with German labor from German-made parts using German engineered robots. We have Detroit. What we do is assemble cars designed in Asia from Asian parts using non-union labor in the deep South in factories that receive huge tax breaks from the States. And we still have trouble competing. [/QUOTE]