Parallels between SU offense and U of Florida

[florange44]

I have a friend who is an insider with the UF football team. While talking the other day, he mentioned that Muschamp was an awesome defensive coach, spent most of his practice time with the defense, and the defensive coaches were tight. He also said that the offensive staff had rifts and did not get along and did not develop players.

That sounds very familiar to the SU situation with McF*******it. I am very hopeful that the O staff is now cohesive and that, coupled with a simpler system, will lead to improved production. I'm pretty sure it can't get worse, lets hope it gets "enough" better to get us to 6 wins.

We'll know pretty early, we should put points up the first 3 weeks, no excuses.

Go Orange!


Florange44

 

[anomander]

I don't have a problem with HCSS spending more time coaching the defensive side of the ball because that's where he made his money. I'd prefer to see him more heavily involved with the defensive game planning and coaching. What I don't want to see is him managing the game like a defensive coordinator. Way too many punts when we should have went for it, and way to conservative.

 

[JrodCuse]

One would think that him being a defensive minded coach and having a lot of confidence in his D that he would be more prone to go for it in short yardage situations. On the flip side he could have known how much of a disaster McDonald was as an OC that he didn't have a choice but to punt because he had no confidence in his O.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I think that's why many argue for an experienced OC. This way if Shafer wants to spend more time on "his side" of the ball, there isn't a concern about who's managing the other side.

 

[Chip]

I think that's why many argue for an experienced OC. This way if Shafer wants to spend more time on "his side" of the ball, there isn't a concern about who's managing the other side.

Agree. It's the most important hire on his staff. He's on his second one with no experience coordinating an offense at this level.

It's not a prerequisite, but something I would have been noisy about when it came to the required budget for the role.

Coyle said he and Shafer will have an honest and open discussion about what he needs. Would be curious how this topic is addressed.

 

[SUFan44]

Agree. It's the most important hire on his staff. He's on his second one with no experience coordinating an offense at this level.

It's not a prerequisite, but something I would have been noisy about when it came to the required budget for the role.

Coyle said he and Shafer will have an honest and open discussion about what he needs. Would be curious how this topic is addressed.

Bullough was the DC at UCLA for 2 years. Shafer could have (and arguably should have) hired someone younger (a la Hackett, albeit the second time around) at a discounted price as DC, groomed him and then went out and hired an established OC like Marrone did with him. It just makes sense.

I am not willing to give up totally on Lester just yet, but if things don't look a lot better offensively relatively quickly this coming year, Coyle should and will have some serious questions for Shafer in regards to his hiring practices.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Does anyone know if Gross or Frazier questioned any of Shafer's hires, or were they simply happy that he stayed within the budget?... or were they too busy golfing/doing whatever to even notice?

 

[Ottoble]

I don't have a problem with HCSS spending more time coaching the defensive side of the ball because that's where he made his money. I'd prefer to see him more heavily involved with the defensive game planning and coaching. What I don't want to see is him managing the game like a defensive coordinator. Way too many punts when we should have went for it, and way to conservative.

Absolutely agree, to note a bad example 4th and 1 on the opponents 45 when down in the 4th qtr is not a punting situation. He has to get more aggressive on offense.

 

[Millhouse]

I have a friend who is an insider with the UF football team. While talking the other day, he mentioned that Muschamp was an awesome defensive coach, spent most of his practice time with the defense, and the defensive coaches were tight. He also said that the offensive staff had rifts and did not get along and did not develop players.

That sounds very familiar to the SU situation with McF*******it. I am very hopeful that the O staff is now cohesive and that, coupled with a simpler system, will lead to improved production. I'm pretty sure it can't get worse, lets hope it gets "enough" better to get us to 6 wins.

We'll know pretty early, we should put points up the first 3 weeks, no excuses.

Go Orange!


Florange44

another similarity between SU and Florida is a stubborn desire to have a defensive head coach follow successful offensive head coaches (relative). spurrier and meyer worked ok but they insist on following them with zook and muschamp

defensive coaches need to know what they want to do on offense. zook, muschamp, shafer, robinson, and even pasqualoni at the tail end, they just didn't

 

[Alsacs]

Florida has recruited well before this past year. They have had talent they just haven't found a QB in the post-Tebow Era. Syracuse hasn't had one top 25 recruiting class so that is a difference.

2011- Florida had the 11th ranked recruiting class
2012- Florida had the 3rd ranked recruiting class
2o13-Florida had the 4th ranked recruiting class
2014- Florida had the 9th ranked recruiting class

Muschamp left talent for McElwain and if he can find a good QB and not Jeff Driskel they will be better. Syracuse needs talent and then coaches would get the job done. Florida has NC and SEC title expectations while we would be happy with consecutive 8-4 seasons.