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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 200195, member: 289"] I posted a detailed examination of SU's NCAA record after last season: Round of 64 1979: Bye 1980: Bye 1983: 6-11 Morehead State 74-59 1984: Bye 1985: 7-10 DePaul 70-65 1986: 2-15 Brown 101-52 1987: 2-15 Georgia Southern 79-73 1988: 3-14 North Carolina A&T 69-55 1989: 2-15 Bucknell 104-81 1990: 2-15 Coppin State 70-48 1991: 2-15 Richmond 69-73L 1992: 6-11 Princeton 51-43 1994: 4-13 Hawaii 92-78 1995: 7-10 Southern Illinois 96-92 1996: 4-13 Montana State 88-55 1998: 5-12 Iona 63-61 1999: 8-9 Oklahoma State 61-69L 2000: 4-13 Samford 79-65 2001: 5-12 Hawaii 79-69 2003: 3-14 Manhattan 76-65 2004: 5-12 Brigham Young 80-75 2005: 4-13 Vermont 57-60L (OT) 2006: 5-12 Texas A&M 58-66L 2009: 3-14 Stephen . Austin 59-44 2010: 1-16 Vermont 79-56 2011: 3-14 Indiana State 77-60 Total: 19-4 We were favored in every game. 8-9 match-ups: 0-1 7-10 match-ups: 2-0 6-11 match-ups: 2-0 5-12 match-ups: 3-1 4-13 match-ups: 3-1 3-14 match-ups: 4-0 2-15 match-ups: 4-1 1-16 match-ups: 1-0 Round of 32 1957: Connecticut 82-76 (neither team ranked: we were 16-6 to their 17-7 and they were in the Yankee conference so we were probably favored) 1966: Bye. 1973: Furman 83-82 (We were ranked #14: they weren’t ranked) 1974: Oral Roberts 82-86L (OT) (Both teams were ranked #20 in different polls: the ESPN encyclopedia calls this an upset.) 1975: LaSalle 87-83 (OT) (Neither team was ranked. We had beaten them 82-78 during the regular season in Manley but they had the better record at 22-6 vs. 20-7 and the game was in Philadelphia so they were probably slight favorites) 1976: Texas Tech 56-69L (We were unranked: they were #16) 1977: Tennessee 93-88 (OT) (We were ranked 10/9 in the polls: they were 7/8) 1978: Western Kentucky 86-87L (OT) (We were #18 in one poll: they were unranked) 1979: 4-5 Connecticut 89-81 1980: 1-8 Villanova 97-83 1983: 6-3 Ohio State 74-79L 1984: 3-6 Virginia Commonwealth 78-63 1985: 7-2 Georgia Tech 53-70L 1986: 2-7 Navy 85-97L 1987: 2-10 Western Kentucky 104-86 1988: 3-11 Rhode Island 94-97L 1989: 2-10 Colorado State 65-50 1990: 2-7 Virginia 63-61 1992: 6-3 Massachusetts 71-77L (OT) 1994: 4-12 Wisconsin-Green Bay 64-59 1995: 7-2 Arkansas 94-96L (OT) 1996: 4-12 Drexel 69-58 1998: 5-4 New Mexico 56-46 2000: 4-5 Kentucky 52-50 2001: 5-4 Kansas 58-87L 2003: 3-6 Oklahoma State 68-56 2004: 5-4 Maryland 72-70 2009: 3-6 Arizona State 78-67 2010: 1-8 Gonzaga 79-65 2011: 3-11 Marquette 62-66L Total: 18-11, 14-5 as a favorite and 4-6 as an underdog. We are: 2-0 vs. 12 seeds 0-2 vs. 11 seeds 2-0 vs. 10 seeds 2-0 vs. 8 seeds 1-1 vs. 7 seeds 3-0 vs. 6 seeds 2-0 vs. 5 seeds 2-1 vs. 4 seeds 0-2 vs. 3 seeds 0-2 vs. 2 seeds The Sweet 16 1957 Lafayette 75-71 (We were 17-6 and they were 22-4 and has had a bye so they must have been the favorite. 1966: Davidson 94-78 (We were ranked 16th: they were unranked so we must have been a favorite) 1973 Maryland 75-91L (We were ranked #14: they were #8/#10 and had a bye so they were the favorite.) 1975 North Carolina 78-76 (We were unranked and they were #7 in the country and certainly the favorite) 1977 UNC-Charlotte 59-81L (We were ranked #19/#9 and they were #18 in one poll so we were the favorite) 1979 4-9 Pennsylvania 76-84L 1980 1-5 Iowa 77-88L 1984 3-7 Virginia 55-63L 1987 2-6 Florida 87-81 1989 2-3 Missouri 83-80 1990 2-6 Minnesota 75-82L 1994 4-1 Missouri 88-98L (OT) 1996 4-8 Georgia 83-81 (OT) 1998 5-1 Duke 67-80L 2000 4-1 Michigan State 58-75L 2003 3-10 Auburn 79-78 2004 5-8 Alabama 71-80L 2009 3-2 Oklahoma 71-84L 2010 1-5 Butler 59-63L Total: 7-12 As a favorite we are 5-7. As an underdog we are 2-5 We are: 1-0 vs. 10 seeds 0-1 vs. 9 seeds 1-1 vs. 8 seeds 0-1 vs. 7 seeds 1-1 vs. 6 seeds 0-2 vs. 5 seeds 0-0 vs. 4 seeds 1-0 vs. 3 seeds 0-1 vs. 2 seeds 0-3 vs. 1 seeds The Elite 8 1957 North Carolina 58-67L (The Tar Heels were undefeated and ranked #1 and went on to win the national championship) 1966 Duke 71-81L (The Blue Devils were ranked #2) 1975 Kansas State 95-87 (OT) (Both teams were unranked and neither had a bye. SU was 22-7 to the Wildcats 20-8, had just beaten UNC and the game was in the providence Civic Center so I think we were favored.) 1987 2-1 North Carolina 79-75 1989 2-1 Illinois 86-89L 1996 4-2 Kansas 60-57 2003 3-1 Oklahoma 63-47 Total: 4-3 As a favorite we are 1-0. As an underdog we are 3-3 We are: 1-0 vs. 2 seeds 2-1 vs. 1 seeds The Final Four 1975 Kentucky 79-95L (We were unranked and they were ranked #6/#4) 1987 2-6 Providence 77-63 1996 4-5 Mississippi State 77-69 2003 3-1 Texas 95-84 Total: 3-1 As a favorite we are 2-0. As an underdog we are 1-1 We are: 1-0 vs. 6 seeds 1-0 vs. 5 seeds 1-0 vs. 1 seeds The Championship Game: 1987 2-1 Indiana 73-74L 1996 4-1 Kentucky 67-76L 2003 3-2 Kansas 81-78 Total: 1-2 We were the underdog in each game We are: 1-0 vs. 2 seeds 0-2 vs. 1 seeds. In all rounds, we are 52-33, (.612). We are 41-16, (.719) as a favorite and 11-17, (.393) as an underdog. When we are favored the other team has a 28% of upsetting us. When we are underdogs, we have a 39% chance of pulling off the upset. We are: 3-2 as a 1 seed 11-5 as a 2 seed 11-4 as a 3 seed 10-5 as a 4 seed 5-4 as a 5 seed 2-2 as a 6 seed 2-2 as a 7 seed 0-1 as an 8 seed We have never been seeded below 8th since the seeding of teams began in 1979. We are: 3-6 vs. 1 seeds 2-3 vs. 2 seeds 1-2 vs. 3 seeds 2-1 vs. 4 seeds 3-2 vs. 5 seeds 5-1 vs. 6 seeds 1-2 vs. 7 seeds 3-1 vs. 8 seeds 0-2 vs. 9 seeds 5-0 vs. 10 seeds 2-2 vs. 11 seeds 5-1 vs. 12 seeds 3-1 vs. 13 seeds 4-0 vs. 14 seeds 4-1 vs. 15 seeds 1-0 vs. 16 seeds Here is a summary of seeding vs. achievement since the seedings began in 1979. 1 seed means you are projected to make the Final Four 2 seed means you are projected to make the Elite 8 3 or 4 seed means you are projected to make the Sweet 16 5, 6, 7, or 8 seed means you are projected to make the Round of 32 Below 8 seed means you are projected to lose in the first round 1979 We were a 4 seed and lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1980 We were a 1 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -2 rounds 1983 We were a 6 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1984 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1985 We were a 7 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1986 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = -2 rounds 1987 We were a 2 seed that made it to the National Championship game = +2 rounds 1988 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = -1 round 1989 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Elite 8 = Even 1990 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -1 round 1991 We were a 2 seed that lost in the First Round = -3 rounds 1992 We were a 6 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1994 We were a 4 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1995 We were a 7 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1996 We were a 4 seed that made it to the National Championship game = +3 rounds 1998 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = +1 round 1999 We were an 8 see that lost in the First Rounds = -1 round 2000 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2001 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 2003 We were a 3 seed that won the National Championship = +4 rounds 2004 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2005 We were a 4 seed that lost in the First Round = -2 rounds 2006 We were a 5 seed that lost in the First Round = -1 rounds 2009 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2010 We were a 1 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -2 rounds 2011 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even Totals: 26 tournaments. We broke even 13 times. We exceeded our seed 4 times and came up short 9 times. Our net achievement compared to the round we were supposed to lose in was -5. Rounds. We were even at the point where we had won the national championship, so we are -5 since. Of course some of our losses in the “even” years were to lower-seeded teams that had pulled off upsets in earlier rounds so we might still have expected to beat those teams. That was the case in 1979, 1984, 2004 and 2011. In none of the four “positive” years did we lose to a lower (worse) seed. [/QUOTE]

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