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Message: [QUOTE="KaiserUEO, post: 3447049, member: 272"] why would any school treat a non championship winning coach like he won a NC? i really dont care, keep shliting on the 2nd best coach in school history, 3rd at worst. so you are saying no school or team should honor anyone, unless they won a NC or a title?? one can always find reason that nobody should have their # retired and name in a Ring of Honor. its just odd to see it be so strong in the so called fan base. guess he did you wrong some how. sorry. ill buy your ticket for rutty-storz. fwiw: i suppose 1st the football historians really need to get on some type of honor system too. other than 44, have they even honored Ben someway? I cant remember. [/QUOTE]