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Message: [QUOTE="Stern, post: 329797, member: 527"] I don't see it. Ivan Maisel did a breakdown and they can't be good again till 2020 at the earliest. And when they do get back to full strength it will take another 2 years to get those kids to be juniors and seniors and be dependable players, and they ain't gonna be recruiting top kids like before. Being in the basement of the Big 10 for a bunch of years isn't going to make PSU attractive to recruits. NOT TO MENTION, who the hell knows if Bill O'Brien will be a good head coach! He could be the next GROB for all anyone knows. PSU will be a mess for a decade plus. There isn't no "rise again" on the horizon anytime soon. [/QUOTE]