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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4257141, member: 5685"] I think what you say is right, but I also get what Stern is saying. We can do both. If Penn State is too hard for some people, then we can stick to local P5s like Rutgers, Maryland, and West Virginia. Maybe add in Northwestern and Vandy for the road trips. Washington is pretty good usually and cross country. Penn State is safer. Nebraska will bounce back so no point in adding them. Arizona and Colorado are long trips. We should try to keep things local. [/QUOTE]