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[QUOTE="Cusefan95, post: 5190030, member: 173"]
Rose has a 79.5 career WAR - almost all of it accumulated from 1963-1979.   After that, he was mostly an over the hill player accumulating “counting stats”.  Those later years really mess up his career averages for things like OPS+ - although not enough to matter in the context we’re discussing here.  He was clearly a HOF player based on ‘63-‘79 - but any of the subjective ways he’s described beyond that “like “greatest hitter of all time”) are significantly overrating him.

My main Pete Rose memory was from 4/30/1988 - Sports Channel was playing the Devils playoff game live and showing the Mets game on tape delay.  I watched the Devils knock the Capitals from the playoffs, then watched the Mets game and was shocked to see Rose shove Pallone.  I wasn’t shocked he got a long suspension.

The only Pete Rose I ever got to see was a washed up guy just hanging on to break the hit record, a terrible manager and a nutjob who shoved an ump.  I get that people who saw him in his prime rate him by their personal “eye test”, which appears to be very clouded by time and nostalgia.  The numbers don’t support him as greatest of all time on any list worthy of being on.
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