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Message: [QUOTE="Ghost, post: 183188, member: 581"] Fine, outside of Super Bowls Eli Manning isn't even on the same level as Phil Rivers. I was giving Manning bonus points for the Super Bowls/Playoffs - deservedly so. 4th Quarter drives, I don't know, what's Eli success rate on 4th Quarter/OT drives? For all I know his mistakes in the first 3.5 quarters gives himself way more chances than PR. Actual stats, before this year Eli/PR were separated by 1 in 4th Q comebacks, Game Winning Drives and Manning had 23 more starts. Manning had a ton more this year so now he's about 8 or 9 ahead in each category in about 23 more starts. Maybe this is the year where Eli became better than PR. Who knows. It's no big deal - not trying to offend Eli fans - he's very good. [/QUOTE]