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Message: [QUOTE="Cusefan0307, post: 1256168, member: 1743"] I know you are a Giants fan and you hate Brady, but if you love Eli so much cause of his record over Tom you can't ignore the numbers like you said. Peyton's had as many first round flameouts (9) as Brady has played in title games (9). Don't give me the Belichick BS. He didn't do crap in Cleveland. Peyton isn't even the best of his generation, so he's not the best all time. Give me 1 QB to win a game in any building, in any climate you have to pick Tom. It's not close. Best winning percentage of all time. If the Patriots win this year, any debate starts with number 12 at the top. Nobody wants Brady to be the best all time because we don't like our all-timers to be giant A-hole D-bags, but he is. [/QUOTE]