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Message: [QUOTE="Funk Doc, post: 2253373, member: 5344"] I would argue that since Miller took the job in 2009, that neither one of us has been successful. Zero championships for either team in that time period. That should be the measuring stick. In the same way, that I disagree with JB when he says the last few years haven't been down for us, because we have trips to the final four. Our regular seasons were below our standards and then we got hot in the tourney. Woopdie doo!!! I always like the saying..."second place is the first loser"...well what does that mean when we finish 3rd or 4th! [/QUOTE]