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Message: [QUOTE="kidorange, post: 1384033, member: 3927"] I'm far from ready to throw the towel in for Joseph. He has hit the ten-footer. He needs to shield the ball when he gets any closer than that though. He is right hand dominant but he has a pull up going left that he didn't show much last year. I just don't think he ever got comfortable. I've lowered my ceiling expectations for him but am still excited for the player he can be. Some OJT might not be a bad thing. Mike ran O better but had a similar A:T as Joseph. He's better served off the ball. If Kaleb can cut down on mistakes and jump to 9-10 ppg (which should be the case), he'll be serviceable next year with 2 more years to grow. [/QUOTE]