Pitino shuts down HS recruiting at St. John's

[DoctorBombay]

Pitino can still really coach. Amazing. Wish we had him.

No! Absolutely NOT.
We have a gentleman and a scholar leading our program. Who cares whether his teams are any good at basketball. As long as we can hold our heads high and tsk-tsk every time we see Pitino's team defense shutting down damn near everyone, we can remain morally superior to that cad, that scoundrel, that scallywag at SJU. Let them have the wins, the rankings, the tenacious defense...we have a nice, good, clean, Syracuse guy leading us. Isn't that what really matters? Like, really?

 

[TexanMark]

Pitino can still really coach. Amazing. Wish we had him.

Agreed, I thought he was a perfect post JB transition...as long as we had NIL $$$. Problem is a school like SJU can put everything into MBB and Cuse has to put most into FB.

For Cuse we have to grow players organically and supplement with a few hired guns with big NIL $$.

The only way Red can excel next year is the young guys play beyond their years and he finds a gem or two in the portal and finally the team stays healthy.

I can't imagine more than 20% of the $21M or so *assuming SU funds to the max* will be set aside for MBB. My 20% in my mind is simple math and common sense as Football garners at least 75% of TV money and has a roster of 100 or so.

 

[Comstock44]

Pitino can still really coach. Amazing. Wish we had him.

(Pitino + Weitsman) - Autry = national championship

 

[Hopkins16]

And we need to grow the men we have. I'm sick of watching other teams play and hearing how so-and-so gained 15 lbs of muscle last year or 25 lbs since his freshman year. When is the last time we had that?

This has always been my problem with our teams. Guys rarely come in and improve in strength or gain needed weight over time. Also, a lot of guys come in and leave with the same skill set and weaknesses.

Pitino’s work at St. John’s this year is remarkable and is a lesson/model on coaching in this new era. He assembled a group of mostly no name players and quickly made them buy into his system and work hard. I truly believe that he could have made winners of our team. Coaching matters.

 

[Hopkins16]

(Pitino + Weitsman) - Autry = national championship

Weitsman is a big loss. The right coach like Pitino would have brought excitement and energy, and he could have influenced Weitsman to really open his pockets to get the players we need. Also, where’s our wealthy alumni? Some schools have more than one wealthy donor funding NIL. Have we tried to hit up the Whitman family? Newhouse? Do we have any wealthy individuals in tech or venture capital?

Today’s winning formula is a great coach, GM and a large NIL war chest (Alabama, Auburn, Duke, Kansas). Mike Repole (Bodyarmor) is St. John’s main guy and now that they are winning, they will be able to get other wealthy alumni on board.

 

[Eric15]

Rick Pitino is probably underrated historically. He makes everywhere he goes better. He’s like BASF.

 

[Scooch]

Rick Pitino is probably underrated historically. He makes everywhere he goes better. He’s like BASF.

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Not the Celtics. He sucked azzz with the Celtics. Whining loser.

 

[sufandu]

Rick Pitino is probably underrated historically. He makes everywhere he goes better. He’s like BASF.

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If he never leaves Kentucky, I'm confident he has one of the alltime great runs and is viewed similar to K. Tubby Smith's '98 NC should be credited to him.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Rick Pitino is probably underrated historically. He makes everywhere he goes better. He’s like BASF.

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But, but, but...he did the nasty on a table in an Italian restaurant...an Italian restaurant, for pete's sake!
We simply can't have that at OUR school...we're better than that- or at least we like to think we are. Forgiveness? Judge not, lest ye be judged? He who has no sin, let them cast the first stone? Just gobbledygook! Hell to the naw, naw, naw- and who cares if he's a great HC? (End rant)

 

[orange7]

Wish we had Rick…we continue to make boneheaded moves.

 

[cali315phan]

Wanted Rick to replace JB. Know there was others that felt the same as i did, but there was plenty that smashed on that idea. Red is not good.

 

[Scooch]

A teammate of my son is going to St. John's next year to play lacrosse. His recruiting class had their "official" visit to the school last weekend.

The kid's dad told me that Pitino met with the lax commit class, told them how he wanted the school to build a strong program, and told them that if they ever need anything from him... resources, money, etc... he's there to make it happen. Then he invited them to a hoops practice.

The dad said Pitino wears a headset mic at practice and moves around the gym, from up top in the bleachers to the floor, barking things at players throughout that are blasted across the PA system. Said it was very intense.

I have no respect for Pitino, but it's hard not to be envious of how he's running that program. Is Red that engaged with the rest of the SU athletics community? Is he hustling for resources and money constantly? Are his practices that intense?

I hope the answer is yes to all, but I'm skeptical.

 

[tbonezone]

league title ??? what's that ? been so long i've apparently forgotten.

 

[sufandu]

A teammate of my son is going to St. John's next year to play lacrosse. His recruiting class had their "official" visit to the school last weekend.

The kid's dad told me that Pitino met with the lax commit class, told them how he wanted the school to build a strong program, and told them that if they ever need anything from him... resources, money, etc... he's there to make it happen. Then he invited them to a hoops practice.

The dad said Pitino wears a headset mic at practice and moves around the gym, from up top in the bleachers to the floor, barking things at players throughout that are blasted across the PA system. Said it was very intense.

I have no respect for Pitino, but it's hard not to be envious of how he's running that program. Is Red that engaged with the rest of the SU athletics community? Is he hustling for resources and money constantly? Are his practices that intense?

I hope the answer is yes to all, but I'm skeptical.

The talk after he was hired was that he was everywhere doing things JB hadn't done in a long time. That doesn't guarantee that any of that translates to the gym though. I doubt practices are that intense. You practice how you play. If they were getting after it hard in practice everyday, we'd see a natural carryover to games.

 

[NineOneSeven]

St John’s at 27-4 and ranked 6 is honestly %^#*ing insane.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

To whoever posted that Jimmy Fallon Red storm song …….

Curses to you. I’ve had this ear worm stuck in my head for the last 3 days in constant rotation. Didn’t even consciously realize what it was from. Then I remembered. May a THOUSAND locusts descend upon your crops!!

 

[RF2044]

The talk after he was hired was that he was everywhere doing things JB hadn't done in a long time. That doesn't guarantee that any of that translates to the gym though. I doubt practices are that intense. You practice how you play. If they were getting after it hard in practice everyday, we'd see a natural carryover to games.

I bet you they practice hard. But I also bet that some of the reports [such as the team busting their humps playing defense in practice] is as much about the opponent in practice [i.e., our team, with players who aren't as good in the past] is a big part of why the team appears to be "effective" playing defense in practice, more than effort.

Additionally, Pitino is one of the top [if not THE top] coaches in college basketball history. And not just because of the championships -- everywhere he's coached [outside of that initial stint at Hawaii], he's had success. He has great systems on both sides of the ball. I watched the St. John's / Marquette game on Saturday, which St. John's won on the road on a buzzer beating shot in OT. Both teams played so hard, both teams were so well coached -- it was like watching a completely different caliber of teams than what we've seen most of this year with SU. A bit discouraging, but also a measuring stick of how far we need to go to get things back on track.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

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St John’s at 27-4 and ranked 6 is honestly %^#*ing insane.

lavor postell and James Scott aren’t walking through that door

 

[sufandu]

I bet you they practice hard. But I also bet that some of the reports [such as the team busting their humps playing defense in practice] is as much about the opponent in practice [i.e., our team, with players who aren't as good in the past] is a big part of why the team appears to be "effective" playing defense in practice, more than effort.

Additionally, Pitino is one of the top [if not THE top] coaches in college basketball history. And not just because of the championships -- everywhere he's coached [outside of that initial stint at Hawaii], he's had success. He has great systems on both sides of the ball. I watched the St. John's / Marquette game on Saturday, which St. John's won on the road on a buzzer beating shot in OT. Both teams played so hard, both teams were so well coached -- it was like watching a completely different caliber of teams than what we've seen most of this year with SU. A bit discouraging, but also a measuring stick of how far we need to go to get things back on track.

Sure. Pitino checks all the boxes. He knows how to put together a roster, he knows X's and O's, and he demands effort/intensity.

I don't know if Red can do the first two (so far it seems not), but there's never a reason to not have the last. Anyone can put forth effort regardless of talent, and any coach can (should) demand it. There are some programs that always have it. I felt like JB sometimes allowed the personalities of the roster to determine whether we had it versus demanding it the way some coaches do. I want to see us have it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Not the Celtics. He sucked azzz with the Celtics. Whining loser.

Yes, he was better in college than the pros. Not all guys can make the switch. In fact, many can't, especially with the player power that has existed for the last 10 years in the NBA.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Article from ESPN about the decline of the ACC as a conference in men's hoops.

Makes a couple interesting points:

• Transfers, on average, make 5 times as much as guys you sign out of high school.
• UVa has the biggest athletic department budget among ACC schools, but it's $90M less than the biggest athletic department budget in the Big 10.

The ACC is on track for its fewest men's NCAA tournament bids in 25 years -- what's next?

The storied college basketball conference is in flux, but it's banking on an injection of money and young wave of coaches to carry it into this new era.

www.espn.com