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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 5356005, member: 5685"] He would have had more success here IMO before eventually being fired. My point: if we kept to the plan we wouldn't have been as bad those final JB years and we would be onto post Hop SU by now instead of being at our lowest point in the last 60 years. It is kind of funny that Hop was 1000x more qualified to be a HC here than Red, and Hop wasn't good enough to keep a job a Washington. The bar is pretty low there. Not sure how anyone thought Red would be better. I think Hop could have been like Quin Snyder or Eshrick. Sadly those options are way better than Red or Brian Mahoney. [/QUOTE]