Players tired waiting for NCAA to clear transcipts

[hoopsupstate]

It's about time players start putting the NCAA on notice.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/10/ineligible-hoopsters-to-fight-back-as-ncaa-twiddles-thumbs/

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yeah I saw Tacko Facko from UCF is suing them as well.

 

[stuckinbig11]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...cko-fall-prepared-sue-ncaa-waiver-not-granted

 

[orangefog]

If these guys win their law suits, then Diagne may be able to sue the NCAA as well. This year is lost, but maybe he can come next year. I think that the NCAA should fully investigate schools to make sure that they are legit, but these kids have are stuck while the NCAA figures it all out.

 

[cuseguy]

If these guys win their law suits, then Diagne may be able to sue the NCAA as well. This year is lost, but maybe he can come next year. I think that the NCAA should fully investigate schools to make sure that they are legit, but these kids have are stuck while the NCAA figures it all out.

Diagne doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[orangefog]

Diagne doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I will take your word for it, I just thought his case would be similar to the other African born players.

 

[orangefan13]

I am sure every one of Diagne's African high school classes were on a very strict grading level at the highest level of education without a curve. Even a higher level then american high school classes which Diagne seemed to do fine with.
What if you transfer from one of the poorest academic countries in the world?
Go to Duke or Harvard obviously.

How the heck did Fab Melo get through?
On top of that I doubt this staff recruits kids who are academic headcases, JB said now we can recruit the kind of players we want to, the minute we joined the ACC and a year before Diagne verballed, and he was talking about academic athletes as well. Doesn't add up.

 

[bballbeadle]

How the heck did Fab Melo get through? A question for the ages. As much as I despise the NCAA, I don't despise some of their functions which they are supposed to carry out in a timely manner. Fab was not properly vetted. Now, was it because SU wanted to cut corners and hurry him in? I don't know. But the lesson is clear: take on academically weak players at your own risk. No, don't take them on, period. There is only one charge against our program that was legit, IMO, and that was helping Fab cheat.

Reminds me of the horse thief on the gallows in the Old West. Asked if he had any last words, he shook his head and said, "Weeelll, this shore was a mighty powerful lesson for me!"

 

[pfister1]

There is a difference between academically weak and lazy students. Based on what little I know about Fab, I'm not sure that he doesn't fall into the latter category as opposed to the former.

With respect to the NCAA clearinghouse; it's not like you're talking about the NCAA holding up the kids that present as "standard" cases. It is typically the kids that present extremely difficult / unique circumstances. They've been to multiple high/prep/charter schools. Some are coming from foreign countries. Just because a kid went to a school doesn't mean that that school was legitimate or had any type of certification of its programs. This is an area that I don't feel like I really know enough information about to say that the NCAA should act more quickly.

Did the kids and schools deliver the materials required by the NCAA to complete their evaluations in a timely fashion? Were the materials that were delivered truly what was required? Was it all tied up in a neat bow or was it a mess, did the material provided raise questions that required further investigation.

Clearly the athletes and coaches recruiting those athletes are going to scream foul......but are people who truly understand the situations (ie. information requested, information provided, standard that must be met) crying foul? I'm not so sure that they are.

 

[br801]

 

[RF2044]

There is a difference between academically weak and lazy students. Based on what little I know about Fab, I'm not sure that he doesn't fall into the latter category as opposed to the former.

With respect to the NCAA clearinghouse; it's not like you're talking about the NCAA holding up the kids that present as "standard" cases. It is typically the kids that present extremely difficult / unique circumstances. They've been to multiple high/prep/charter schools. Some are coming from foreign countries. Just because a kid went to a school doesn't mean that that school was legitimate or had any type of certification of its programs. This is an area that I don't feel like I really know enough information about to say that the NCAA should act more quickly.

Did the kids and schools deliver the materials required by the NCAA to complete their evaluations in a timely fashion? Were the materials that were delivered truly what was required? Was it all tied up in a neat bow or was it a mess, did the material provided raise questions that required further investigation.

Clearly the athletes and coaches recruiting those athletes are going to scream foul...but are people who truly understand the situations (ie. information requested, information provided, standard that must be met) crying foul? I'm not so sure that they are.

True. But there is enormous inherent hypocrisy in the NCAA so heavily scrutinzing high school coursework, while being so laizzes faire about collegiate coursework. Not in their wheelhouse... but a course taken in a foreign country is?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

True. But there is enormous inherent hypocrisy in the NCAA so heavily scrutinzing high school coursework, while being so laizzes faire about collegiate coursework. Not in their wheelhouse... but a course taken in a foreign country is?

Is it me or did it seem like things worked better when they had Prop 48 around. Now they have changed some of the rules which I'm not sure how it affects the foreign students but it might be if they don't have enough transferrable core classes or a high enough score on the SAT's. I'm not sure what the right answer is but they definitely need to look at the foreign students different. It's not comparing apples to apples. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...akes-academic-reform-again-college-basketball

 

[tee1222]

NCAA,
You've been served.
You should and will feel bad!
SUball

 

[CaptainJ]

Maybe this action will lead to the NCAA self imposing some deadlines on how long it takes to mull over it its decisions. Although the one player not being able to produce any of the homework he allegedly did does warrant a raised eyebrow, I suppose.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Maybe this action will lead to the NCAA self imposing some deadlines on how long it takes to mull over it its decisions. Although the one player not being able to produce any of the homework he allegedly did does warrant a raised eyebrow, I suppose.

It might be in their local landfill. I live on a corner where the bus picks and drops off kids. The last day of school every year when the teachers tell the kids to clean out their desks, ecstatic kids hopping off the bus throw their papers everywhere on their walk home. It's nice when the kids last day is the same day the garbage men pick up. Parents sometimes save that stuff - kids? None that I know.

 

[CaptainJ]

It might be in their local landfill. I live on a corner where the bus picks and drops off kids. The last day of school every year when the teachers tell the kids to clean out their desks, ecstatic kids hopping off the bus throw their papers everywhere on their walk home. It's nice when the kids last day is the same day the garbage men pick up. Parents sometimes save that stuff - kids? None that I know.

I agree to an extent, but might not some of these players be aware that some of it might be useful? Obviously, if this were the first time it were done(or very rare, for whatever the athlete's situation), I could understand the shock and inability to produce such evidence. (With someone like myself being the exception, being I took pride in some of my work lol). Like I said though, I am not sure how common or rare it is for whatever the player's situation is to require or not require any evidence of coursework. I'm not a fan of the NCAA's antics of late, but I'm guessing there are times when they get it right, similar to law enforcement unlawfully arresting someone who broke a law. I'm not really sure whom to feel sorry for anymore.

On a note related to journalism, we could look some of the "top stories" listed in this publication to possibly help put the article in a more full perspective. I found the one about Howard Stern's daughter quite interesting. But yes, I do agree with your overall point. It would help all parties in the future to have a more streamlined process where everyone is informed of what will be required. Until that is the case, I'd be in favor of the "students" getting the benefit of the doubt.