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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 404219, member: 289"] THE STATE PLAYOFFS The state playoffs began in 1993. The Classes were A, B, C and D. Class AA was created in 1996. There are 11 sections in New York State: Section 1: Dutchess, Putnam, Rockland, Westchester counties . Section 2: Capital District Section 3: Central New York Section 4: Southern Tier Section 5: Genesee Valley Section 6: Western NY Section 7: Champlain Area Section 8: Nassau Section 9: Orange, Sullivan, Ulster counties Section 10: St. Lawrence Area Section 11: Suffolk Sections 8 & 11 do not participate in the NYS playoffs. Sections 7 and 10 have so few schools that they have no schools in certain categories and have preliminary elimination games to get their schools into the playoffs. In some years in some categories, the entry is just listed as “7-10”, implying that the sections were considered together and the best school from either was issued an invitation. Here are the won-loss records of each section in each classification in state playoff games, with the number of titles in parenthesis. SECTION 1 Total: 142-68(24) Class D: 26-15(4) Class C: 38-11(8) Class B: 38-12(7) Class A: 25-16(4) Class AA:15-14(2) SECTION 2 Total: 99-86(6) D:21-18(1) C:19-18(1) B: 19-18(1) A: 27-17(2) AA: 13-15(1) SECTION 3 Total: 76-80(10) D: 20-13(5) C: 13-16(2) B:11-19(0) A: 12-19(0) AA: 20-13(3) SECTION 4 Total: 67-82(10) D: 10-18(1) C: 18-16(3) B: 18-17(2) A: 18-15(4) AA: 3-16(0) SECTION 5: Total: 109-70(22) D: 22-15(4) C: 19-16(3) B: 19-15(4) A: 25-13(6) AA: 24-11(5) SECTION 6: Total: 79-74(17) D: 17-15(4) C: 14-17(2) B: 19-15(3) A: 16-15(4) AA: 13-12(4) SECTION 7: Total: 28-50(1) D: 8-17(0) C: 6-16(0) B: 14-17(1) A: 0-0(0) AA: 0-0(0) SECTION 9: Total: 24-85(2) D: 5-19(0) C: 2-17(0) B: 3-17(1) A: 6-18(0) AA: 8-14(1) SECTION 10: Total: 7-36(0) D: 0-1(0) C: 1-4(0) B: 4-12(0) A: 1-17(0) AA: 1-2 (0) Comments: The best high school football in New York State, (north of New York City), has historically been played in Sections 1 ,2 and 5, (the Hudson River area and the Rochester Area) but Section 6, (the Buffalo area), had quite a power play in the last two years with 8 titles in 2008-9). Central New York was breaking even until last year‘s disaster. Section 3 is now 76-80 and has 10 titles, (there have been 97 awarded in nineteen sections so 10-11 would be average.) The North Country just doesn’t have enough population to compete with the other sections and neither does Section 9, (basically the Adirondacks and the Catskills). The State Playoffs are set up on an East-West basis so Section 3 teams play Section 4 teams, against who they are fairly well-matched and then play the winner of Section 5 vs. Section 6, which is tougher. Sections 1 & 2 get Section 7, 9 or 10 in the first round which is kind of a walk-over. Then they typically face each other in the semis. The teams in the “West” would seem to have a harder road than the teams in the “East”. One wonders if, should sections 8&11 stop “playing with themselves”, there might be a “North-South” look to the playoffs and Section 3 might do better. It’s interesting to see how some sections do in each class. Assuming that success rate is directly related to the number of schools in each class, Section 4, (the Southern Tier) has little to offer at the level of the smallest and the biggest schools but is pretty competitive in between. Section 3 for some reason, is the opposite, the best in the state in Class D and better than you’d think in AA but mediocre in C and less than that in A-B. Section 7, (Lake Champlain) is pretty good in Class B but lousy elsewhere, indicating that most of their schools are at that level. Sections 5 and 6, (basically Western New York), are pretty good down the line. Here is a list of the most successful teams in the state, ranked by victories in the state tournament, regardless of class, (many of them have played in more than one class). They are list in order of victories. If that’s a tie, the first tie-breaker is state titles and the second the number of losses. 1) Caldonia-Mumford (Section 5) 18-4 (4 state titles) 2) Dobbs Ferry (1) 19-3 (4) 3) Rochester Aquinas (5) 17-4 (5) 4) Rye (1) 16-4 (2) 5) Chenango Forks (4) 16-8 (2) 6) Cambridge (2) 14-10 (1) 7) Peru (7) 14-13 (1) 8) Tuckahoe (1) 13-7 (2) 9) Harrison (1) 12-5 (2) 10) New Rochelle (1) 12-7 (1) 11) Hornell (5) 11-2 (3) 12) Webster Schroeder (5) 11-3 (3) (Webster High School split into Webster Schroeder and Webster Thomas in 2002. “Webster” had won the 2001 AA title and when Webster Schroeder win the 2002 AA title all references I could find were to their winning their “second straight state title”, so I added Webster Schroeder’s record to that of “Webster” and gave Webster Thomas their own record. Webster Thomas is 3-2 with no title so the overall “Webster” record would be 14-5 (3) if you added them all together.) 13) Lackawanna (6) 11-5 (3) 14) Amsterdam (2), Troy (2) and Walton (4) 11-5 (2) 17) Jamestown (6) 10-1 (3) 18) Edgemont (1) 10-2 (3) 19) Onondaga (3) 10-3 (3) 20) Nyack (1) 10-4 (2) The New York State Sportswriter’s Association has had rankings since 1969. Originally they ranked all schools together. In 1970 they were divided, (as they should be) between “large” schools and “small” schools. In 1988 they went to Class A, B and “C-D”. Here are the teams, (with section numbers) that won in the polls for the years prior to the start of the state tournament in 1993: 1969 Kenmore West-6 (Utica Notre Dame was #3) 1970 Large: Ithaca-4 (Auburn was #3) Small: Albany Academy-2 (Lafayette was #7) 1971 Large: Farmingdale-8 (White Plains-1 was #2, Corcoran was #11) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Cazenovia was #4) 1972 Large: Farmingdale-8 (Kenmore West- 6 was #2, Auburn was #6) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Solvay was #13) 1973 Large: Vestal-4 (Utica Notre Dame was #7) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Westhill was #12) 1974 Large: Syosset-8 (Buffalo-Canisius-6 was #2 Auburn was #5) Small: Monroe-Woodbury-9 (Oneida was #7) 1975 Large: Vestal-4 (Auburn was #3) Small: Croton-Harmon-1 (Ilion was #14) 1976 Large: Rush-Henrietta- 5 (Jamesville-Dewitt was #12) Small: Penn Yan-5 (Cazenovia was #9) 1977: Large: New Rochelle-1 (Nottingham was #9) Small: Caledonia-Mumford- 5 (Mt. Markham was #12) 1978: Large: East Rochester-5 (Rome Free Academy was #6) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Oneida was #5) 1979: Large: Union-Endicott-4 (Liverpool was #2) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Solvay was #3) 1980: Large: New Rochelle-1 (Rome Free Academy was #5) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Ilion was #7) 1981: Large: Tie between Rome Free Academy-3 and West Islip St. John the Baptist-11 Small: Olean-6 (Solvay was #9) 1982: Large: A four-way tie between Shenendehowa-2, Liverpool-3, Bellport-11 and East Islip-11 Small: Penn Yan-5 (Herkimer was #10) 1983: Large: Tie between St. Francis Prep-NYC and Shenedehowa-2 Small- Tie between Dobbs Ferry-1, Albion-6 and Riverdale-NYC (Holland Patent was #12) 1984: Large: Tie between Shenendehowa-2, Williamsville South-6 and Bronx JFK-NYC (Rome Free Academy was #4) Small: Dobbs Ferrry-1 (Bishop Grimes was #17) 1985: Large: Binghamton-4 (Rome Free Academy was #8) Small: Tie between Dobbs Ferry-1 and Canandaigua-5 (Homer was #3) 1986: Large: Hempstead-8 (Jamestown-6 was #2, Baldwinsville was #13) Small: Homer-3 1987: Large: Liverpool-3 Small: Albion-6 (Indian River was #10) 1988: Class A: Hempstead-8 (New Hartford was #2) Class B: Plainedge-8 (Binghampton-Seton-4 was #2, Nottingham was #8) Class C-D: Taconic Hills-2 (Westmoreland was #5) 1989: Class A: Union-Endicott-4 (Henninger was #22) Class B: Johnstown-2 (New Hartford was #3) Class C-D: Nanuet-1 (Dolgeville was #8) 1990: Class A: Henninger-3 Class B: Garden City-8 (Canadaigua-5 was #2, New Hartford was #4) Class C-D: Watervliet-2 (Ilion was #3) 1991: Class A: Fairport-5 (Rome Free Academy was #2) Class B: Tie between Ossining-1, Batavia-5 and Garden City-8 (Fowler was #10) Class C-D: Watervliet-2 (Dolgeville was #3) 1992: Class A: Susan Wagner-NYC (North Rockland-5 was #2, Rome Free Academy was #5) Class B: Lynbrook-8 (Garden City-8 was #2, VVS was #3) Class C-D: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Dolgeville was #4) 　 The following teams have won state titles, (I am including poll champions from 1969-92- if a poll champion was from section 8 or 11, I treated the highest rated team from sections 1-7 and 9-10 as the “poll champion“- if there had been a tournament in those years, they‘d have been in it and winning the poll was the equivalent of winning the tournament in those days): Section 1: Bronxville C-2010 Croton-Harmon Poll-1975 (small) Dobbs Ferry Poll- 1983, 1984, 1985 (small) D-2002 C-2004, 2006, 2011 Dover C-1997 Edgemont C-1998, 1999, 2000 Harrison B-1999, 2002 Nanuet Poll- 1989 (C-D) New Rochelle Poll- 1977, 1980 (large) AA-2003 North Rockland Poll- 1992 (A), A-1993 Nyack A-2000, 2003 Ossining Poll- 1991 (B) Pleasantville Poll-1971, 1972, 1973 (small) Rye B-2005, 2006, 2008 Tuckahoe D-2006, 2010 Valhalla D-1996 White Plains Poll-1971 (large) Yonkers-Roosevelt AA-1996 Yorktown B-1993, 1994 That’s 18 schools that have won 37 state titles Section 2: Albany Academy Poll- 1970 (small) Amsterdam B-1995 A-2005 Cambridge D-1999 Johnstown Poll-1989 (B) Shenendehowa Poll- 1982, 1983, 1984 (large) Taconic Hills Poll- 1988 (C-D) Troy A-1996 AA- 1998 Watervliet Poll- 1990, 1991 (C-D), C- 1996 That’s 8 schools that have won 12 state titles Section 3: Auburn AA-2006 Bishop Ludden C-2007 CBA AA-2004 Dolgeville D-2000 Henninger- Poll- 1990 (large) Homer- Poll- 1986 (small) Liverpool Poll- 1982, 1987 (large) New Hartford Poll- 1988 (large) Onondaga D-2001 C-2002 D-2003 Rome Free Academy Poll- 1981 (large) VVS- Poll- 1992 (B) Weedsport D-2004 West Canada D-1997 West Genesee AA-2007 That’s 14 schools that have won 17 state titles Section 4: Binghamton Poll- 1985 (large) Binghamton Seton Poll- 1988 (B) Chenango Forks B-2003, 2004 Corning East A-2006 Delhi C-2001 Ithaca Poll- 1970 (large) Maine-Endwell A-2004, 2011 Sidney C-2005 Union-Endicott Poll- 1979 (large) 1989 (A) Vestal Poll- 1973, 1975 (large) A- 1997 Walton C-1994 D-2007 That’s 11 schools that have won 17 state titles Section 5: Aquinas A-1998, 2001, 2002, 2007, 2010 Batavia Poll- 1991 B Caledonia-Mumford Poll- 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980 (small) 1992 (C-D), C-1993 D-1994, 1995 C-2003 Canandaigua Poll- 1985 (small) 1990 (B), A-1999 Clyde-Savannah D-1993 East Rochester Poll- 1978 (large) Fairport Poll- 1991 (A) AA-1997 Geneva B-2006 Hornell B-2009, 2010, 2011 Letchworth D-2011 Leroy C-1995 Penn Yan Poll- 1976, 1982 (small) Rush-Henrietta Poll- 1976 (large) AA-2010 Webster (Schroeder) AA-1999, 2001, 2002 That’s 14 schools that have won 35 state titles Section 6: Albion Poll- 1983, 1987 (small) Buffalo Canisius Poll- 1974 (large) Jamestown A-1994, 1995 AA-2000 Lackawanna B-1997, 1998 Maple Grove D-1998, 2008 North Tonawanada AA-2009 Olean Poll- 1981 (large) Orchard Park AA-2008, 2011 Randolph D-2005, 2009 Southwestern C-2008, 2009 Springville B- 1996 Sweet Home A-2008, 2009 Williamsville South Poll- 1984 (large) That’s 13 schools that have won 22state titles Section 7: Peru B-2001 That’s one school that’s won 1 state title Section 9: Monroe-Woodbury Poll- 1974 (small) AA-2005 Roundout Valley B-2000 That’s 2 schools that have won 3 state titles Section 10: None Section Three always starts out by playing Section 4 in the first round We are 13-3 against them in Class AA, 10-9 in Class A, 9-10 in Class B, (thank you, Chenango Forks, who beat our teams seven times in a row), 8-10 in Class C and 10-8 in Class D, (Section coaches in Classes C and D voted not to send a team to the state playoffs in the first year, 1993). Over all Section 3 is 50-40 vs. Section 4. But we are only If they survive Section 4, the Section 3 champs play the winner of the Section 5 and 6, (basically the Rochester and Buffalo areas) first round game. We’ve done well in Class D, 6-4 (3-2 vs. each), and held our own, 4-4, (3-3 vs. Section 5, 1-1 vs. Section 6), in Class C but been dominated in Class B, 2-7, (1-5 vs. Section 6, 1-2 vs. Section 5), Class A, 2-8, (2-5 vs. Section 5, 0-3 vs. Section 6) and Class AA, 4-9, (3-7 vs. Section 5, 1-2 vs. Section 6). Overall vs. Section 5 they are 12-18 vs. Section 5 and 6-13 vs. Section 6. The following Section III teams have cleared the quarterfinal hurdle vs. Section 4 and survived the semifinal carnage vs. Sections 5 and 6 to play for the state championship: 1993 Class B Chittenango lost to Section 1 Yorktown 13-23 1996 Class A Whitesboro lost to Section 2 Troy 13-27 1997 Class C CBA lost to Section1 Dover 26-32 (2OT) 1997 Class D West Canada beat Section 1 Bronxville 22-14 2000 Class A Fulton lost to Section 1 Nyack 20-34 2000 Class D Dolgeville beat Section 2 Fort Edward 55-3 2001 Class D Onondaga beat Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 35-7 2002 Class C Onondaga beat Section 1 Briarcliffe 35-6 2002 Class D Dolgeville lost to Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 35-38 2003 Class D Onondaga beat Section 2 Cambridge 41-21 2004 Class AA CBA beat Section 1 New Rochelle 41-35 2004 Class D Weedsport beat Section 1 Tuckahoe 22-11 2006 Class AA Auburn beat Section 9 Monroe-Woodbury 27-26 (1OT) 2007 Class AA West Genesee beat Section 9 Monroe-Woodbury 42-21 2007 Class C Bishop Ludden beat Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 21-16 2008 Class B Oneida lost to section 1 Rye 12-16 2010 Class C General Brown lost to Section 1 Bronxville 14-34 Section 3 is 10-7 in state championship games. They lost their first three, then had an incredible 10-2 streak before losing the last two. They are 6-5 vs. Section 1, 2-1 vs. Section 2 and 2-0 vs. Section 9. So if we can survive the semi-finals our chances of winning a state title are pretty good. [/QUOTE]

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