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Message: [QUOTE="BuffOrange, post: 193742, member: 1643"] Yah it's funny how that works. Some view Marty Schottenheimer as a choker but I think most diehard football guys realize he more often overachieved as some of his #1 seeds had no business finishing 13-3. If your criteria is "what the average fan will remember" it's basically title or bust. Some of have said what's the big deal about making the E8 but I think the same can be said of the F4 - most people don't remember who lost in the semi's 2yrs ago. I mean do Uconn fans remember losing to Mich. St more fondly than the years in the 90s where they lost in the regional finals? I sorta doubt it; quite honestly they probably prefer whichever year they did better against us and/or how they did in the BET. [/QUOTE]