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Message: [QUOTE="cuseincincy, post: 3681458, member: 331"] Ok, Here the deal on Joe's D. In my early 20's I used to play pickup against some of the players in summer at Archbold Gym. Sherm, Herm Harried, Brower and Matt Roe were regulars. They made me/us look silly but we ran with them. If they didn't want me to score, I didn't score (or pass or much of anything else!). I'm now 56, 6'2" 275lbs was a while ago. If I walked up court today and saw JG3 guarding me in a tavern league zone I wouldn't think twice about passing over him or shooting over him. If Kadary was on me I would pass the ball to someone else. [/QUOTE]