Pretty simple

[cuseguy]

Look at our starting unit, offensively and defensively. How many lock NFL players do you see?

Probably Pugh. Maybe Broyld down the road. We'll see.

Nassib, Sales and Lemon will get a look.

Bromley? Reddish may make it. Not certain yet.

That's not a lot.

Talent is improved, depth is better.

But this team, this program, still doesn't have the type of talent it takes to expect more.

 

[Cuseman78]

Look at our starting unit, offensively and defensively. How many lock NFL players do you see?

Probably Pugh. Maybe Broyld down the road. We'll see.

Nassib, Sales and Lemon will get a look.

Bromley? Reddish may make it. Not certain yet.

That's not a lot.

Talent is improved, depth is better.

But this team, this program, still doesn't have the type of talent it takes to expect more.

In our conference, it is absolutely good enough.

 

[billsin01]

Look at our starting unit, offensively and defensively. How many lock NFL players do you see?

Probably Pugh. Maybe Broyld down the road. We'll see.

Nassib, Sales and Lemon will get a look.

Bromley? Reddish may make it. Not certain yet.

That's not a lot.

Talent is improved, depth is better.

But this team, this program, still doesn't have the type of talent it takes to expect more.

I don't know if you're right or wrong, but it is absolutely not "that simple." Stonybrook came damn close to knocking us off. How much NFL talent are they running out there? The bottom line is that there are talent issues (which relate back to DM, of course) but there plenty of others as well. Is DM the guy for the job? I don't know. I tend to think we're headed in the right direction, but the time for lamenting a lack of talent is past. We're in Year 4. Honeymoon is over in that regard. I also don't know that I look on the field and see a discernable lack of talent. I like Lemon/West/Sales, wales is passable and Stevens can contribute. Nassib is solid at QB. Not a huge Smith fan but he's OK, gulley is a pretty shifty runner and capable receiver. Spruill, Davis, MPB, Bromley and the DTs, Lyn, Reddish, S. Thomas ... I'm not sure who goes on to the NFL out of that group, but I don't mind the talent on this team.

 

[orangenirvana]

Look at our starting unit, offensively and defensively. How many lock NFL players do you see?

Probably Pugh. Maybe Broyld down the road. We'll see.

Nassib, Sales and Lemon will get a look.

Bromley? Reddish may make it. Not certain yet.

That's not a lot.

Talent is improved, depth is better.

But this team, this program, still doesn't have the type of talent it takes to expect more.

So despite outgaining all four of our opponents, we don't have the talent to expect better than 1-3 at this point?

Just stop it.

 

[Chip]

How many such players do we see on our opponents? Other than USC, I haven't seen many.

We just have to be better than the team we play. And if we could get out of our own way, we might.

 

[cuseguy]

In our conference, it is absolutely good enough.

You're probably right. We'll see if that translates into wins.

 

[cuseguy]

So despite outgaining all four of our opponents, we don't have the talent to expect better than 1-3 at this point?

Just stop it.

We've outgained our opponents. But we have very few playmakers. We need to be perfect inside the red zone. One little blip and we can't seem to overcome it. There's simply no excuse for not being able to score three times in two games inside in the opponent's five on first and goal. If we had a really good back or better blocking, this wouldn't be happening.

 

[orangenirvana]

We've outgained our opponents. But we have very few playmakers. We need to be perfect inside the red zone. One little blip and we can't seem to overcome it. There's simply no excuse for not being able to score three times in two games inside in the opponent's five on first and goal. If we had a really good back or better blocking, this wouldn't be happening.

I simply don't buy it. We're not in the SEC and no one is expecting national titles. This team competes physically with their opponents, which is certainly a credit to Marrone and Co. But being overmatched with regard to physical talent is no longer the issue.

The red zone issues are more mental than physical at this point.

 

[cuseguy]

I simply don't buy it. We're not in the SEC and no one is expecting national titles. This team competes physically with their opponents, which is certainly a credit to Marrone and Co. But being overmatched with regard to physical talent is no longer the issue.

The red zone issues are more mental than physical at this point.

Player mental or coach mental? Or both?

 

[orangenirvana]

Player mental or coach mental? Or both?

Both. Marrone and Hackett outsmart themselves and Nassib is a nervous nelly.

 

[Rocco]

Both. Marrone and Hackett outsmart themselves and Nassib is a nervous nelly.

Agree completely. Marrone and Hack think wayyy too much and over analyze things worse than a molecular engineer making a financial decision. This is college football and unfortunately DM has a pro mentality. That is his biggest obstacle as a college football coach IMO.

Nassib has happy feet, and when faced with pressure doesn't look downfield. One of his biggest flaws. Great in the pocket with protection, but subpar under pressure.

 

[Cuseman78]

You're probably right. We'll see if that translates into wins.

Thats the 64,000 dollar question. I thought before the season that it would translate. After starting 1-3, the confidence is certainly shaken. But the good news is we are 0-0 in the BE so crazier things have happened.

 

[Crusty]

Talent means more than just pure athletic ability. It is the coaching staffs job to turn the raw athletic ability into real talent.

We have the athletic ability but our talent does not match up. I hate to say it but we play like a poorly coached team. Sure, we gain yards but what good is it if you don't score. With the exception of a couple of games (WVU, USC and NW) we gain yards between the twenties and then settle for field goals or stall out.

Sorry for the following rant but it has been driving me nuts.

1. Rutgers. A blocked freakin extra point (the gap was so wide it looked intentional)! Fumble in OT to end the game. That game still haunts me.
2. NW - ST screw ups - too many to mention.
3. PFs by Keon at critical points in games - Rutgers and NW. Keon keeps doing it and they are clearly blatant, not the kind that one can dismiss as just being aggressive. Why at this late date does he keep doing it? If the coaches sat his butt down maybe he would get the message. Just can't allow one guy to keep hurting the team. And he is not that good that we are going to miss him for a game or two. This is on Shafer.
4. Teach these guys how to tackle. How can you D coaches stand that crap. Doesn't it drive you crazy? Who then hell is running the place you or the players? If they won't do it the right way - sit their asses down.
5. Constant stupid false starts. If there is one freakin thing Doug should know is OL play. GET AHOLD OF THIS CRAP DOUG!! This is not rocket science.
6. Buy a book on clock management.
7. Buy a book on game management.
8. Buy a book on plays in the red zone.
9. Buy a book on plays to slow down the pass rush.
10. Teach the WR to freakin block downfield.
11. Go for it on fourth down - what the hell do you have to lose at this point. You are pissing off your most loyal supporters - including me.
12. Stop with the over-think! A freakin toss sweep to the slowest back on the team - why? To surprise them. You have a QB who completes 65-70% of his short passes. Throw the freakin thing - what do you have to lose!!
13. Run on third and 8? Huh.
14. What are you saving Broyld for? Let him make his mistakes and let him learn. Give us something to keep hopes alive for the future. Just another case of over think. Put him on the damn field and let him throw a pass as well.
15. And what is with the excuse that they double teamed Sales? Did they use 12 players? MN was't the 49ers - someone else must have been open. There is a play for every defense.
16. Practice isn't everything Doug. Some players just have the ability to shine when they ring the bell. Red Auerbach didn't even make Bill Russell practice on days he didn't feel like it and there was no better competitor that ever graced an athletic event.

Doug, most of us are pulling like hell for you to succeed. Nothing would please us more than for one of our own to take us to the top 25. You have done yeoman service bringing this program back from the brink of the FCS but that is not the standard for the job.
It isn't working the way you are doing it and you need to rethink your approach. Tom Caughlin would be unemployed instead of a two-time Super Bowl winning coach if he had not adapted. You need to get a hold of this team and teach it how to win. If you can't, next year and the year after will be no different. Then we will all say, too bad and best wishes.
This is about leadership - yours - not just coaching. Now buck up buddy, put away the long face and get back to work. We are all still puling for you.
Thus endth my rant. Thanks for allowing my indulgence. I feel better now.

 

[Vitamin G]

So despite outgaining all four of our opponents, we don't have the talent to expect better than 1-3 at this point?

Just stop it.

We out gained them because we were down by multiple scores and had to pass constantly to come back. When teams are ahead they look for ball control and time of possession. I think we averaged 55 passes against NW and USC. That is why we out gained them. Get 500 yards with the lead and a win against a BCS team and I'll be impressed.

 

[gmoney44]

So keep Broyld out there regardless if he screws up so he can learn for the betterment of the team in the future but bench everyone who misses a tackle or gets a penalty for the betterment of the team in the future. Nothing like sending mixed messages.

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[tipphill]

So despite outgaining all four of our opponents, we don't have the talent to expect better than 1-3 at this point?

Just stop it.

what does that say about the coaching???

 

[orangenirvana]

We out gained them because we were down by multiple scores and had to pass constantly to come back. When teams are ahead they look for ball control and time of possession. I think we averaged 55 passes against NW and USC. That is why we out gained them. Get 500 yards with the lead and a win against a BCS team and I'll be impressed.

This makes no sense. Outgaining them is outgaining them. I don't care what the reason is. Our offense is passing the ball, so you can't say "We only outgained them by passing a lot!" We dominated the game vs. Northwestern everywhere but the scoreboard. Therefore, it's not a talent issue anymore, which is my point.

 

[Millhouse]

This makes no sense. Outgaining them is outgaining them. I don't care what the reason is. Our offense is passing the ball, so you can't say "We only outgained them by passing a lot!" We dominated the game vs. Northwestern everywhere but the scoreboard. Therefore, it's not a talent issue anymore, which is my point.

i'm ok with people discounting passing yardage because of increased turnover risk.

you're going to win more games rushing for 250 than passing for 400, I'm guessing.

i think vitamin takes it too far and generally i think yards tell the story but I think rushing yards are worth a little more than passing yards. i still prefer passing because it's easier

 

[Halfmooncuse]

How about how many NFL coaches after this season?

 

[OrangeOnions]

This discussion made me think of this...

"...which are so
inherently symptomatic...
...of a losing team.
Sorry, doc, I had a little...
You know.
The mind is a strange thing, men.
We must begin by asking it...
..."What is losing?"
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as bubonic plague...
... attacking one...
... but infecting all.
But curable.
Now, I want you to imagine...
...you are on a ship at sea...
...on a vast...
You wanna sit down and pay attention?
...gently rocking.
Get back in here!
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking."

-The Natural

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/n/natural-script-transcript-robert-redford.html

 

[orangenirvana]

Buy a book on clock management.
Buy a book on game management.
Buy a book on plays in the red zone.
Buy a book on plays to slow down the pass rush.

Nooooo! Don't tell him that.

This is his problem. He overthinks. He probably has a library of books about game and clock management in his office. The problem is, it isn't that complicated. It's intrinsic. Instinctual. A person either has good game management skills or he doesn't. Maybe Marrone really does have a good feel for what decisions should be made during games but he goes against them and instead goes to his statistical analysis BS way of overthinking situations.

 

[Millhouse]

Nooooo! Don't tell him that.

This is his problem. He overthinks. He probably has a library of books about game and clock management in his office. The problem is, it isn't that complicated. It's intrinsic. Instinctual. A person either has good game management skills or he doesn't. Maybe Marrone really does have a good feel for what decisions should be made during games but he goes against them and instead goes to his statistical analysis BS way of overthinking situations.

he should follow his instincts m- and go costanza opposite when he's under the gun on saturday

 

[SWC75]

We didn't lose to Minnesota because our players weren't good enough to win the game. We didn't gain 596 yards on nrothwestern or 455 vs. USC or even 350 vs. Minny with no playmakers.

 

[OrangePA]

I simply don't buy it. We're not in the SEC and no one is expecting national titles. This team competes physically with their opponents, which is certainly a credit to Marrone and Co. But being overmatched with regard to physical talent is no longer the issue.

The red zone issues are more mental than physical at this point.

The OL looked out-manned by the Gophers.

We do not have a dominant MLB.

We do not have a home run threat at WR or RB.

And our QB does not frighten anyone with his feet - teams can just pin their ears back and come at him.

We have improved but we still need much more talent - at least at certain positions.