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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 3394961, member: 40"] Yup, colder on average here, lots more snow in CNY -- as I have agreed from the beginning. What "worse" means to different people is subjective. Full transparency, I have come to loathe winters more and more overall [and I've only lived in winter climates my whole life, except for a brief stint in Phoenix], but I appreciate having a lot less snow compared to CNY [10 year average here of 54 inches, only 48 last winter, compared to ~120 in Syracuse] -- cold is easier to deal with for me personally than snow. But this isn't the arctic beginning in October, as some apparently belive. That's all I'm pointing out. Appreciate the civility / data, instead of anecdotal stuff. [/QUOTE]