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[QUOTE="Irishsecra1, post: 5652180, member: 8453"]
I was very sad when he left.  Obviously, I dont know what really went on with him behind the scenes.
Maybe he wasnt salvagable at the time or maybe Red just didnt have the style to rein him in.

In so many ways, he reminded me of Dion Waiters, one of my all time favorites.  The attitude and the fun way he played certainly!
The irony is that somehow JB and Hopkins managed to rein him in but let him bloom  on the court.
Good enough to be drafted in the top 5 in the NBA.

I cant help but remember that in Reds first year he supposedly had all these malcontents when he took over the team. The only year he had any measure of success.
 But how much of the drama and chaos was due to them, and how much was due to an incompetent coach.
Fact of the matter is the last 2 years, without these supposed malcontents, his teams have imploded in the last half of the season. All seem to have given up and do not play with max effort.

Red is just bad in so many ways.
Listen to this press conference and the last one.
Compare to a few other coaches, heck compare to Gerry's latest Siena press conferences.
Most display some vision, accountability, plan, hope, etc.
Red comes off like a tired confused old man.
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