question for recruiting guys about high school players with good teammates

[Millhouse]

i was thinking about our experience recruiting guys from the same high school.

paulus, williams, lobdell
miller, ameen moore
catalina, suter

not that all these guys were busts or anything (who didn't like suter?) but do we get fooled into thinking players are really good when really they're just one of a few pretty good players together that equates to high school team dominance

might be a problem recruiting the northeast. guys who look like they're bcs caliber might be concentrated together among fewer schools making it harder to evaluate them individually. vs the south where there are many more teams with multiple good players - it might be easier to evaluate them because everyone has multiple good players .

 

[Ozcuse]

i was thinking about our experience recruiting guys from the same high school.

paulus, williams, lobdell
miller, ameen moore
catalina, suter

not that all these guys were busts or anything (who didn't like suter?) but do we get fooled into thinking players are really good when really they're just one of a few pretty good players together that equates to high school team dominance

might be a problem recruiting the northeast. guys who look like they're bcs caliber might be concentrated together among fewer schools making it harder to evaluate them individually. vs the south where there are many more teams with multiple good players - it might be easier to evaluate them because everyone has multiple good players .

I think this happens a lot with skill positions- qb, rb, wr. An offensive line with marginal talent (DIII, DII) will make a halfway decent rb look awesome when he has 30+ TDs in a season and averages 200 yards/game. Same thing a QB with a halfway decent WR or two will look awesome because the secondary talent just isn't there to bring these guys back down to earth. Especially at the small schools like Onondaga.

 

[Tom Frey]

I think this happens a lot with skill positions- qb, rb, wr. An offensive line with marginal talent (DIII, DII) will make a halfway decent rb look awesome when he has 30+ TDs in a season and averages 200 yards/game. Same thing a QB with a halfway decent WR or two will look awesome because the secondary talent just isn't there to bring these guys back down to earth. Especially at the small schools like Onondaga.

Sounds legit, I wonder which high school running back made Lou Alexander look like a DI Tackle.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I think this happens a lot with skill positions- qb, rb, wr. An offensive line with marginal talent (DIII, DII) will make a halfway decent rb look awesome when he has 30+ TDs in a season and averages 200 yards/game. Same thing a QB with a halfway decent WR or two will look awesome because the secondary talent just isn't there to bring these guys back down to earth. Especially at the small schools like Onondaga.

Curious to know, who at Onondaga was being "masked" to make them look better than they were by having decent players around them?

 

[Ozcuse]

Curious to know, who at Onondaga was being "masked" to make them look better than they were by having decent players around them?

I guess I miscommunicated- it is hard to evaluate if players are legit or if they are a product of being surrounded by other good players. I didn't mean to say that players aren't good, it's just harder to evaluate since there are few times for them to face other elite athletes. The problem is more difficult with smaller schools when legitimate talent is few and far between.

I just used Onondaga as an example of a small school because it has put (good) talent in DI programs. You could replace that name with Dolgeville and many others.

 

[RICuse44]

I guess I miscommunicated- it is hard to evaluate if players are legit or if they are a product of being surrounded by other good players. I didn't mean to say that players aren't good, it's just harder to evaluate since there are few times for them to face other elite athletes. The problem is more difficult with smaller schools when legitimate talent is few and far between.

I just used Onondaga as an example of a small school because it has put (good) talent in DI programs. You could replace that name with Dolgeville and many others.

Big numbers at a place like cuse CBA, particularly through the air, should cause some pause. The emphasis in new York on football is too small for a couple of decent players to not have tecmo bowl like numbers in high school. I imagine things have changed at football practice in the 15 plus years since I was last there but I'm pretty sure only a small number of schools teach kids how to play defensive back. Back when Dino's roamed the earth we used to practice defense for about 30 minutes on Wednesday before a Friday night game. I imagine this is less of a problem in more football savvy states like pa or even on long island.

 

[Chip]

Sounds legit, I wonder which high school running back made Lou Alexander look like a DI Tackle.

I think Lou can run block. But outside of the occasional screen pass, I'm guessing that high school team never threw the ball.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I guess I miscommunicated- it is hard to evaluate if players are legit or if they are a product of being surrounded by other good players. I didn't mean to say that players aren't good, it's just harder to evaluate since there are few times for them to face other elite athletes. The problem is more difficult with smaller schools when legitimate talent is few and far between.

I just used Onondaga as an example of a small school because it has put (good) talent in DI programs. You could replace that name with Dolgeville and many others.

Ok, now I see what you were saying.