Random hypothetical...

[Eric15]

If we were to lose to FSU, and then the season ended. Are we in or out?

(RPI is 45 right now and would drop following a home loss)

 

[pearl31]

In.

 

[RF2044]

If we were to lose to FSU, and then the season ended. Are we in or out?

Depends on if the committee puts stock in JB being out during that pivotal 9 game stretch where we submarined our overall record. If so, we're in. If not, we're out.

I believe we still have work to do to get into the tournament--it begins tomorrow night, with a win over FSU. We're playing like a top 25 caliber team right now, and deserve to be in -- but we'll need to earn it.

 

[CorduroyG]

in

 

[realorange]

Lunardi(?) says we are last four along with FSU right now.

 

[Orangeblue2]

Depends on if the committee puts stock in JB being out during that pivotal 9 game stretch where we submarined our overall record. If so, we're in. If not, we're out.

I believe we still have work to do to get into the tournament--it begins tomorrow night, with a win over FSU. We're playing like a top 25 caliber team right now, and deserve to be in -- but we'll need to earn it.

If I'm not mistaken, the last game was eking out a home win against a bottom half of the league VT. I wouldn't confuse winning that game with playing like a top 25 team. It was a W, but we played poorly.

 

[RF2044]

If I'm not mistaken, the last game was eking out a home win against a bottom half of the league VT. I wouldn't confuse winning that game with playing like a top 25 team. It was a W, but we played poorly.

We DID play poorly--last game. That doesn't define the entire season, or how we've played leading up to that. If I'm not mistaken, we just beat Duke at Cameron and scored a second win over a ranked team [ND] the week before.

Anyone watching college basketball broadly beyond just SU games sees that top 25 teams are losing on a nightly basis, often to inferior teams. We've avoided that during the past 10 games, and played very well against both top 10 teams we've faced [one of which was a road game].

 

[HoustonCuse]

Do they still care about "Last 10"? I can't recall.

Anyway, seems like we should be in, but history says that there is no bubble for Syracuse. They are either an absolute stone cold indisputable lock to be in or they are out. No in between.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

If I'm not mistaken, the last game was eking out a home win against a bottom half of the league VT.

As we have seen over the years, nothing is a given. Even bottom feeders pull some upsets every season. VaTech seemed more ready for the game than we did. It could have easily been a loss. Just like BC vs UNC last night. Easily could have been a loss for UNC. Even the good teams have some What losses each year. I think the committee understands that, and takes into account a lot of factors. That's why in the big conferences, this stuff happens. You just can't have too many of them. That's why every win is important.

 

[Orangeblue2]

As we have seen over the years, nothing is a given. Even bottom feeders pull some upsets every season. VaTech seemed more ready for the game than we did. It could have easily been a loss. Just like BC vs UNC last night. Easily could have been a loss for UNC. Even the good teams have some What losses each year. I think the committee understands that, and takes into account a lot of factors. That's why in the big conferences, this stuff happens. You just can't have too many of them. That's why every win is important.

The point is you don't lose to the weak sisters AT HOME. On the road, nothing is a given. And the What losses you speak of are more acceptable in Novemebr-December than in February.
Anyway, the opportunity is there to play ourselves solidly in the field and off the bubble

 

[cliftonparksufan]

The point is you don't lose to the weak sisters AT HOME. On the road, nothing is a given. And the What losses you speak of are more acceptable in Novemebr-December than in February.
Anyway, the opportunity is there to play ourselves solidly in the field and off the bubble

All true, but I am sure anyone losing to BC no matter where the game is will get noticed by more than a few people.

 

[TexanMark]

Do they still care about "Last 10"? I can't recall.

Anyway, seems like we should be in, but history says that there is no bubble for Syracuse. They are either an absolute stone cold indisputable lock to be in or they are out. No in between.

IIRC that went away...(after it was used effectively screw us out of a bid or two)

 

[Hoo's That]

The thing that makes it hardest to predict "In or Out" with any sort of accuracy is the conference tournaments. SU's chances are not affected if UVa, UNC, Miami, ND, or Duke win the ACCT; those schools are locks for bids and only playing for their seeding. But if Wake, Northwestern, or {insert name of team with no current chance of an at-large bid here} pulls off a miracle, that bumps out a team that's currently in the "Last 4 In". Today, I think you're in. At conference tournament time, you guys need to root for as many "would have gotten a bid anyway" teams to win as possible. We've been in that position and hope never to return there.

 

[Knicks411]

Do they still care about "Last 10"? I can't recall.

Anyway, seems like we should be in, but history says that there is no bubble for Syracuse. They are either an absolute stone cold indisputable lock to be in or they are out. No in between.

Got rid of that criteria a few years ago I think?

 

[Eric15]

They are either an absolute stone cold indisputable lock to be in or they are out. No in between.

It really is incredible. 1997, 2002, 2007, 2008 we were just on the outside looking in. In recent years, the closest we have ever been to the bubble while getting in was an 8 seed in 1999.

 

[MGP]

Anyway, seems like we should be in, but history says that there is no bubble for Syracuse. They are either an absolute stone cold indisputable lock to be in or they are out. No in between.

Great point. I don't ever recall SU being on the bubble and making it. Have we ever that anyone recalls? We even got snubbed the last year they didn't dish out tourney automatics for crying out loud!

 

[sugrad68]

I would say "in". Wins against Texas A&M, UConn, Duke, and ND are impressive. Yes, we could have lost to VT AND GT. A win on Thursday would be obviously huge in getting into the tournament. Lose to FSU and I think we need an impressive victory over a team like Pitt, NC, Louisville, or FSU at their place. Assuming we beat BC and NC State, which with the inconsistency of this team is not a given. Hopefully after 8 days off the team will have its legs back and Cooney will get a FT over the front rim.

 

[jncuse]

If we were to lose to FSU, and then the season ended. Are we in or out?

(RPI is 45 right now and would drop following a home loss)

In (probably)

There are many games between bubble teams or bubble teams with a chance at a top 50 victory at home the next few days. Things could move down quick.

Florida St at Syracuse
Butler at Seton Hall
St Joes at George Washington

LSU at South Carolina
Bayyor at Kansas St

 

[jncuse]

Great point. I don't ever recall SU being on the bubble and making it. Have we ever that anyone recalls? We even got snubbed the last year they didn't dish out tourney automatics for crying out loud!

All I can remember is back to 1990 (hopefully I have the years right)

In 1993 we were on probation,
In 1997 we were not a great candidate for an at large.
In 2001 (or 2002) forget the exact year -- it was a year with Deshaun Williams issues and we were a clear out,
2007 no doubt we were a bubble team, but we should have been in
2008 we were a bubble team, but we got the fate we deserved.
2015 Self Imposed Ban

It's possible we have only been a real bubble team twice. And we were screwed once.