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(This is one of four projects I've bene working on primarily using the information on the wonderful Orangehoops website. I'll post one a day to give each one maximum attention.)
This is an update, (in both directions), and a simplification of a post I did a dozen years ago using my “Net Points” system to rank SU’s recruiting classes. At that time I only had information from 1986-87 through 2008-09. Now, Thanks to “Orangehoops”: Syracuse Orange Basketball Season Records I can cover the entire Boeheim Era, although information prior to 1980-81 is incomplete. The first time I did this I used several different stats for my analysis. This time I’m just going to add up the total net points for all the players in a recruiting class in their career here. The reader can figure in other considerations, (such as Carmelo Anthony won a national championship: what if he’d stayed for four years?), any way they please. For the 1976-80 period, I’ll simply use the available numbers. I don’t have minutes, steals, blocks or turnovers in that period, (although, oddly, they have them in a few cases for some players for individual years). I’m using gross numbers so the minutes don’t matter and steals, blocks and turnovers are small-ticket items that tend to approximately cancel each other out so that the total NP for a player’s career will still be relevant if not fully accurate. I’m placing players with the class of the year in which they first played for SU. If they red-shirted or, in Billy Edelin’s case, were suspended for their first year, they become part of the next year’s class: they are among the ‘new guys’ for that year. Similarly, transfers are part of the class for the first year in which they played.
The “Net Points” formula: Points + Rebounds +Assists + Steals + Blocks – Missed field goals – Missed free throws – turnovers – fouls = “Net Points” For years where we don’t have every stat or there are still active players who could add to the total, I’ll put an ‘*’ next to the number. The 2021-22 season will be added when it is over.
The Ranking:
1986-87 5,177NP
2007-08 4,961NP
1976-77 4,449NP*
2001-02 3,950NP
1988-89 3,538NP
1977-78 3,253NP*
1997-98 3,413NP
2005-06 3,326NP
2003-04 3,246NP
1991-92 3,066NP
2010-11 3,060NP
1996-97 3,012NP
2002-03 3,011NP
1982-83 2,991NP
1983-84 2,882NP
2016-17 2,777NP
1992-93 2,766NP
2009-10 2,717NP
2017-18 2,659NP*
2013-14 2,554NP
1980-81 2,529NP
1979-80 2,501NP*
1984-85 2,481NP
1989-90 2,478NP
1994-95 2,336NP
1985-86 2,198NP
1999-00 2,109NP
1998-99 2,064NP
2015-16 2,024NP
2012-13 1,906NP
2011-12 1,890NP
2018-19 1,759NP*
1990-91 1,554NP
2008-09 1,514NP
2006-07 1,437NP
1993-94 1,232NP
2019-20 1,171NP*
1981-82 948NP
1995-96 918NP
1978-79 641NP*
2020-21 631NP*
2004-05 384NP
2000-01 353NP
2014-15 347NP
1987-88 None
The breakdown:
1976-77 Roosevelt Bouie 1,978 + Louis Orr 1,764 + Hal Cohen 515 + Bill Drew 158 + Cliff Warwell 34 = 4,449NP*
1977-78 Danny Schayes 1,093 + Eddie Moss 1,020 + Marty Headd 825 + Chris Jerebko 235 + Mark Cubit 80 = 3,253NP*
1978-79 Ron Payton 489 + Rick Harmon 144 + Ed Gooding 8 = 641NP*
1979-80 Eric Santifer 1,587 + Tony Bruin 877 + Mike Sheehey 37 = 2,501NP*
1980-81 Leo Rautins 1,102 + Sean Kerins 711 + Gene Waldron 664 + Larry O’Neill 52 = 2,529NP
1981-82 Andre Hawkins 728 + Sonny Spera 121 + Chris Lewis 102 + Peter Wynne -3 = 948NP
1982-83 Rafael Addison 1,706 + Wendell Alexis 1,263 + John Karpis 22 = 2,991NP
1983-84 Pearl Washington 1,339 + Greg Monroe 881 + Howie Triche 610 + George Papadakos 52 = 2,882NP
1984-85 Rony Seikaly 1,764 + Derek Brower 249 + Michael Brown 242 + Herman Harried 226 = 2,481NP
1985-86 Sherman Douglas 2,077 + Rodney Walker 121 = 2,198NP
1986-87 Derrick Coleman 2,903 + Stevie Thompson 1,608 + Matt Roe 548 + Keith Hughes 64 + Erik Rogers 54 = 5,177NP
1987-88 Earl Duncan 191NP (JB actually recruited no one this year: Duncan was part of the 1986-87 class but couldn’t play as a freshman due to Prop 48. You add his total to 86-87 and get 5,368.)
1988-89 Billy Owens 2,012 + Dave Johnson 1,118 + Dave Siock 177 + Richard Manning 123 + Tony Scott 108 = 3,538NP
1989-90 Conrad McRae 892 + LeRon Ellis 612 + Michael Edwards 495 + Mike Hopkins 479 = 2,478NP
1990-91 Adrian Autry 1,214 + Scott McCorkle 340 = 1,554NP
1991-92 Lawrence Moten 1,858 + Luke Jackson 623 + JB Reafsnyder 426 + Glenn Sekunda 139 + Anthony Harris 20 = 3,066NP
1992-93 John Wallace 2,188 + Lazarus Sims 578 = 2,766NP (Otis Hill redshirted this year thus effectively joined the next year’s class. Jim Hayes came as a walk -on and got a scholarship as a sophomore: I’m counting him as a walk-on because he wasn’t recruited to come here. He had 31NP, which would have made it 4,001 if you add them in.)
1993-94 Otis Hill 1,204 + Chuckie Gelatt 28 = 1,232NP
1994-95 Todd Burgan 1,321 + Marius Janulis 617 + Michael Lloyd 318 + Bobby Lazor 80 = 2,336NP
1995-96 Jason Cipolla 500 + Elvir Ovcina 407 + David Patrick 11 = 918NP
1996-97 Etan Thomas 1,636 + Jason Hart 1,249 + LeSean Howard 75 + Ramel Lloyd 52 + Winfred Walton 0 = 3,012NP
1997-98 Ryan Blackwell 1,283 + Damone Brown 1,239 + Alan Griffin 700 + Eric Williams 145 + Malik Campbell 49 + Sam Spann -3 = 3,413NP (I had through that Malik Campbell was recruited for football and walked on in basketball but per Orangehoops, it’s the other way around.)
1998-99 Preston Shumpert 1,592 + Tony Bland 274 + Billy Celuck 198 = 2,064NP
1999-2000 Kueth Duany 852 + DeShaun Williams 704 + Jeremy McNeil 553 = 2,109NP
2000-01 James Thues 342 + Ethan Cole 14 + Greg Davis -3 = 353NP
2001-02 Hakim Warrick 1,982 + Josh Pace 1,126 + Craig Forth 844 + Mark Konecny -2 = 3,950NP
(Billy Edelin was originally part of this class. If you add him in its 4,462NP)
2002-03 Gerry McNamara 1,616 + Carmelo Anthony 730 + Billy Edelin 512 + Matt Gorman 153 = 3,011NP
2003-04 Demetris Nichols 1,064 + Terrence Roberts 974 + Darryl Watkins 898 + Louie McCroskey 310 = 3,246NP
2004-05 Josh Wright 368 + Dayshawn Weight 16 = 384NP
2005-06 Arinze Onuaku 1,332 + Eric Devendorf 1,043 + Andy Rautins 951 = 3,326NP
2006-07 Paul Harris 1,428 + Mike Jones 8 + Devin Brennan-McBride 1 = 1,437NP
2007-08 Rick Jackson 1,738 + Scoop Jardine 1,273 + Jonny Flynn 1,073 + Donte Greene 510 + Kristof Ongenaet 364 + Sean Williams 3 = 4,961NP
2008-09 Kris Joseph 1,350 + Mookie Jones 164 = 1,514NP
2009-10 Brandon Triche 1,181 + James Southerland 825 + Wes Johnson 685 + DaShonte Riley 26 = 2,717NP
2010-11 CJ Fair 1,639 + Dion Waiters 558 + Baye Moussa Keita 552 + Fab Melo 311 = 3,060NP
2011-12 Rakeem Christmas 1,218 + Michael Carter-Williams 672 = 1,890NP
2012-13 Trevor Cooney 969 + Jerami Grant 556 + DaJuan Coleman 381 = 1,906NP
2013-14 Tyler Roberson 981 + Michael Gbinije 976 + Tyler Ennis 445 + BJ Johnson 86 + Ron Patterson 66 = 2,554NP
2014-15 Chris McCullough 171 + Kaleb Joseph 152 + Chinoso Obokoh 24 = 347NP
2015-16 Tyler Lydon 1,017 + Franklin Howard 697 + Malachi Richardson 310 = 2,024NP
2016-17 Tyus Battle 1,056 + Paschal Chukwu 616 + Andrew White 488 + John Gillon 364 + Taurean Thompson 253 = 2,777NP
2017-18 Marek Dolezaj 1,169 + Oshae Brissett 871 + Bourama Sidibe 412 + Matthew Moyer 137 + Howard Washington 67 + Geno Thorpe 3 = 2,659NP (so far)
2018-19 Elijah Hughes 869 + Buddy Boeheim 732 + Robert Braswell 103 + Jalen Carey 55 = 1,759NP (so far)
2019-20 Joe Girard 535 + Quincy Guerrier 510 + Jesse Edwards 101 + Brycen Goodine 25 = 1,171NP (so far)
2020-21 Alan Griffin 372 + Kadary Richmond 222 + Woody Newton 34 + Frank Anselem 5 + Chazz Owens 0 +John Bol Ajak -2 = 631NP (so far)
This is an update, (in both directions), and a simplification of a post I did a dozen years ago using my “Net Points” system to rank SU’s recruiting classes. At that time I only had information from 1986-87 through 2008-09. Now, Thanks to “Orangehoops”: Syracuse Orange Basketball Season Records I can cover the entire Boeheim Era, although information prior to 1980-81 is incomplete. The first time I did this I used several different stats for my analysis. This time I’m just going to add up the total net points for all the players in a recruiting class in their career here. The reader can figure in other considerations, (such as Carmelo Anthony won a national championship: what if he’d stayed for four years?), any way they please. For the 1976-80 period, I’ll simply use the available numbers. I don’t have minutes, steals, blocks or turnovers in that period, (although, oddly, they have them in a few cases for some players for individual years). I’m using gross numbers so the minutes don’t matter and steals, blocks and turnovers are small-ticket items that tend to approximately cancel each other out so that the total NP for a player’s career will still be relevant if not fully accurate. I’m placing players with the class of the year in which they first played for SU. If they red-shirted or, in Billy Edelin’s case, were suspended for their first year, they become part of the next year’s class: they are among the ‘new guys’ for that year. Similarly, transfers are part of the class for the first year in which they played.
The “Net Points” formula: Points + Rebounds +Assists + Steals + Blocks – Missed field goals – Missed free throws – turnovers – fouls = “Net Points” For years where we don’t have every stat or there are still active players who could add to the total, I’ll put an ‘*’ next to the number. The 2021-22 season will be added when it is over.
The Ranking:
1986-87 5,177NP
2007-08 4,961NP
1976-77 4,449NP*
2001-02 3,950NP
1988-89 3,538NP
1977-78 3,253NP*
1997-98 3,413NP
2005-06 3,326NP
2003-04 3,246NP
1991-92 3,066NP
2010-11 3,060NP
1996-97 3,012NP
2002-03 3,011NP
1982-83 2,991NP
1983-84 2,882NP
2016-17 2,777NP
1992-93 2,766NP
2009-10 2,717NP
2017-18 2,659NP*
2013-14 2,554NP
1980-81 2,529NP
1979-80 2,501NP*
1984-85 2,481NP
1989-90 2,478NP
1994-95 2,336NP
1985-86 2,198NP
1999-00 2,109NP
1998-99 2,064NP
2015-16 2,024NP
2012-13 1,906NP
2011-12 1,890NP
2018-19 1,759NP*
1990-91 1,554NP
2008-09 1,514NP
2006-07 1,437NP
1993-94 1,232NP
2019-20 1,171NP*
1981-82 948NP
1995-96 918NP
1978-79 641NP*
2020-21 631NP*
2004-05 384NP
2000-01 353NP
2014-15 347NP
1987-88 None
The breakdown:
1976-77 Roosevelt Bouie 1,978 + Louis Orr 1,764 + Hal Cohen 515 + Bill Drew 158 + Cliff Warwell 34 = 4,449NP*
1977-78 Danny Schayes 1,093 + Eddie Moss 1,020 + Marty Headd 825 + Chris Jerebko 235 + Mark Cubit 80 = 3,253NP*
1978-79 Ron Payton 489 + Rick Harmon 144 + Ed Gooding 8 = 641NP*
1979-80 Eric Santifer 1,587 + Tony Bruin 877 + Mike Sheehey 37 = 2,501NP*
1980-81 Leo Rautins 1,102 + Sean Kerins 711 + Gene Waldron 664 + Larry O’Neill 52 = 2,529NP
1981-82 Andre Hawkins 728 + Sonny Spera 121 + Chris Lewis 102 + Peter Wynne -3 = 948NP
1982-83 Rafael Addison 1,706 + Wendell Alexis 1,263 + John Karpis 22 = 2,991NP
1983-84 Pearl Washington 1,339 + Greg Monroe 881 + Howie Triche 610 + George Papadakos 52 = 2,882NP
1984-85 Rony Seikaly 1,764 + Derek Brower 249 + Michael Brown 242 + Herman Harried 226 = 2,481NP
1985-86 Sherman Douglas 2,077 + Rodney Walker 121 = 2,198NP
1986-87 Derrick Coleman 2,903 + Stevie Thompson 1,608 + Matt Roe 548 + Keith Hughes 64 + Erik Rogers 54 = 5,177NP
1987-88 Earl Duncan 191NP (JB actually recruited no one this year: Duncan was part of the 1986-87 class but couldn’t play as a freshman due to Prop 48. You add his total to 86-87 and get 5,368.)
1988-89 Billy Owens 2,012 + Dave Johnson 1,118 + Dave Siock 177 + Richard Manning 123 + Tony Scott 108 = 3,538NP
1989-90 Conrad McRae 892 + LeRon Ellis 612 + Michael Edwards 495 + Mike Hopkins 479 = 2,478NP
1990-91 Adrian Autry 1,214 + Scott McCorkle 340 = 1,554NP
1991-92 Lawrence Moten 1,858 + Luke Jackson 623 + JB Reafsnyder 426 + Glenn Sekunda 139 + Anthony Harris 20 = 3,066NP
1992-93 John Wallace 2,188 + Lazarus Sims 578 = 2,766NP (Otis Hill redshirted this year thus effectively joined the next year’s class. Jim Hayes came as a walk -on and got a scholarship as a sophomore: I’m counting him as a walk-on because he wasn’t recruited to come here. He had 31NP, which would have made it 4,001 if you add them in.)
1993-94 Otis Hill 1,204 + Chuckie Gelatt 28 = 1,232NP
1994-95 Todd Burgan 1,321 + Marius Janulis 617 + Michael Lloyd 318 + Bobby Lazor 80 = 2,336NP
1995-96 Jason Cipolla 500 + Elvir Ovcina 407 + David Patrick 11 = 918NP
1996-97 Etan Thomas 1,636 + Jason Hart 1,249 + LeSean Howard 75 + Ramel Lloyd 52 + Winfred Walton 0 = 3,012NP
1997-98 Ryan Blackwell 1,283 + Damone Brown 1,239 + Alan Griffin 700 + Eric Williams 145 + Malik Campbell 49 + Sam Spann -3 = 3,413NP (I had through that Malik Campbell was recruited for football and walked on in basketball but per Orangehoops, it’s the other way around.)
1998-99 Preston Shumpert 1,592 + Tony Bland 274 + Billy Celuck 198 = 2,064NP
1999-2000 Kueth Duany 852 + DeShaun Williams 704 + Jeremy McNeil 553 = 2,109NP
2000-01 James Thues 342 + Ethan Cole 14 + Greg Davis -3 = 353NP
2001-02 Hakim Warrick 1,982 + Josh Pace 1,126 + Craig Forth 844 + Mark Konecny -2 = 3,950NP
(Billy Edelin was originally part of this class. If you add him in its 4,462NP)
2002-03 Gerry McNamara 1,616 + Carmelo Anthony 730 + Billy Edelin 512 + Matt Gorman 153 = 3,011NP
2003-04 Demetris Nichols 1,064 + Terrence Roberts 974 + Darryl Watkins 898 + Louie McCroskey 310 = 3,246NP
2004-05 Josh Wright 368 + Dayshawn Weight 16 = 384NP
2005-06 Arinze Onuaku 1,332 + Eric Devendorf 1,043 + Andy Rautins 951 = 3,326NP
2006-07 Paul Harris 1,428 + Mike Jones 8 + Devin Brennan-McBride 1 = 1,437NP
2007-08 Rick Jackson 1,738 + Scoop Jardine 1,273 + Jonny Flynn 1,073 + Donte Greene 510 + Kristof Ongenaet 364 + Sean Williams 3 = 4,961NP
2008-09 Kris Joseph 1,350 + Mookie Jones 164 = 1,514NP
2009-10 Brandon Triche 1,181 + James Southerland 825 + Wes Johnson 685 + DaShonte Riley 26 = 2,717NP
2010-11 CJ Fair 1,639 + Dion Waiters 558 + Baye Moussa Keita 552 + Fab Melo 311 = 3,060NP
2011-12 Rakeem Christmas 1,218 + Michael Carter-Williams 672 = 1,890NP
2012-13 Trevor Cooney 969 + Jerami Grant 556 + DaJuan Coleman 381 = 1,906NP
2013-14 Tyler Roberson 981 + Michael Gbinije 976 + Tyler Ennis 445 + BJ Johnson 86 + Ron Patterson 66 = 2,554NP
2014-15 Chris McCullough 171 + Kaleb Joseph 152 + Chinoso Obokoh 24 = 347NP
2015-16 Tyler Lydon 1,017 + Franklin Howard 697 + Malachi Richardson 310 = 2,024NP
2016-17 Tyus Battle 1,056 + Paschal Chukwu 616 + Andrew White 488 + John Gillon 364 + Taurean Thompson 253 = 2,777NP
2017-18 Marek Dolezaj 1,169 + Oshae Brissett 871 + Bourama Sidibe 412 + Matthew Moyer 137 + Howard Washington 67 + Geno Thorpe 3 = 2,659NP (so far)
2018-19 Elijah Hughes 869 + Buddy Boeheim 732 + Robert Braswell 103 + Jalen Carey 55 = 1,759NP (so far)
2019-20 Joe Girard 535 + Quincy Guerrier 510 + Jesse Edwards 101 + Brycen Goodine 25 = 1,171NP (so far)
2020-21 Alan Griffin 372 + Kadary Richmond 222 + Woody Newton 34 + Frank Anselem 5 + Chazz Owens 0 +John Bol Ajak -2 = 631NP (so far)
