Class of 2020 RB Sean Tucker (MD) COMMITTED TO SYRACUSE (4/13/19)

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Okay...

Maybe time to go back to the Syracuse.com boards.
You’re right it is time for you to go back to the Syracuse.com boards. Because it’s posts like yours bringing down this forum.

I used to think syracusefan.com was the better place for people with more thoughts on the game than “speed is good”. If you disagree with me (and the NFL for that matter), I’m willing to have an intelligent discussion about it. If this is the best you can come up with, I feel sorry for you.

I’ve given proof that speed isn’t that important through the 40 times of the top NFL draft picks. What do you have to prove speed IS everything? That would add to the conversation more than what you posted.
 

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Don't confuse fact with opinion, which is the only thing you just offered.
I’ve been told on this forum that I was wrong because I disagreed with a HS football coach, because apparently they know everything. If a HS coach is all knowing, what do you call the GM, scouts and coaches of the NFL?

I would say that their “Opinions” are the closest thing to FACT in this debate. The top running back taken in the draft ran 4.63 at his pro day. Why was he taken above the two next players at 4.49? Why were the next three taken running 4.6+ when someone with 4.52 speed was on the board?

I’d love to have more context to your “opinion”, because all anyone has done has bashed me for having my opinion despite the evidence supporting my side.
 

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Don't confuse fact with opinion, which is the only thing you just offered.
I mean, if my opinion is based on historical data... then yes, it's just an opinion.

I guess I should have said, don't let data get in the way of a poor argument.
 

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Last warning...if you want to have an argument about speed start a separate thread.
Sorry!

And let me just say, I really like this commit. Anything I said above has nothing directly to do with KL at all. He’s a perfect player for this system and it’ll be exciting to see how he grows and is used in the next few years.
 

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Sorry!

And let me just say, I really like this commit. Anything I said above has nothing directly to do with KL at all. He’s a perfect player for this system and it’ll be exciting to see how he grows and is used in the next few years.
I guess it really did get off topic (Sean Tucker not KL hahaha).

I’ll try to bring it back without upsetting everyone. Sean Tucker is a complete RB with elite talents that I think is going to be huge for the future of Syracuse. Go Orange!
 

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I guess it really did get off topic (Sean Tucker not KL hahaha).

I’ll try to bring it back without upsetting everyone. Sean Tucker is a complete RB with elite talents that I think is going to be huge for the future of Syracuse. Go Orange!
Yes! Tucker, my bad.
 

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I mean, if my opinion is based on historical data... then yes, it's just an opinion.

I guess I should have said, don't let data get in the way of a poor argument.

Lol what historical data? Kids a solid pick up.
 

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Speed does not equal “natural athleticism”. You can be athletic without being fast. And fast without being very athletic. I’m not saying that this kid isn’t fast or isn’t naturally athletic. What I’m saying is straight line speed is overrated on a RB. It’s great if you have it in the open field, but you have to get to that open field first and foremost.

Take a look at the draft this weekend. Josh Jacobs didn’t have a time on NFL.com but the next two players are 4.49. Then three players and 4.6+. Followed by someone with 4.52. Each one of these players is slower than Sean’s supposed time and they were drafted in the first 4 rounds of the draft.

Again, speed is a great attribute to have at any position in football, but it’s more about what you do with it, than JUST having it. My initial evaluation said, that I was impressed with everything else Sean offered above and beyond his speed. Not detracting from it, but saying how good a RB he is, not how good a track star he can be.
As long as we are comparing times of FB RB's who are also sprinters, I thought I would mention the running styles of Jawhar Jordan and Sean Tucker. I believe both are going to be great backs. It's great that we have these two SU backs to compare with such fast 40 times. Tucker 4.28, Jordan 4.37. Dino get's 'em. Greatest coach and recruiter SU has had.

Both are football and track athletes. Jordan, however, has had more experience as a running back than Tucker and that makes a difference. At the moment I give the best RB to Jordan, he has both speed and moves. He takes the ball from the QB gets out of the backfield quickly looks like he's trapped, jukes the defender and is gone. His stride length, when you look at him quickly, makes him look like he has got to go to get further away or they're going to catch him then a quick transition happens and the burners go on and take him beyond the defenders and what he needs to score.

Go back and look at Jordans tape and compare it to Tuckers. Until they create an event to measure both elite speed and elusiveness in the open field we'll have to be satisfied with elite straight line speed which to me gives the measure that a RB recruit is going to leave the jock strap of a corner/LB 10 feet in the air if he is elusive, has great peripheral vision, knows how to utilize a stutter step and or juke a defender to get into the secondary and beyond. Jordan has these attributes honed to a finer edge than Tucker at the moment IMHO.

def: for those who haven't heard the term. A juke is a move in most forms of American football used to evade a tackler by deception, and thus without need of a stiff arm. It can also be called sidestepping. A typical juke involves a ball-carrier faking as if he will run one way, then planting his foot and running the opposite

GOSU :)
 

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As long as we are comparing times of FB RB's who are also sprinters, I thought I would mention the running styles of Jawhar Jordan and Sean Tucker. I believe both are going to be great backs. It's great that we have these two SU backs to compare with such fast 40 times. Tucker 4.28, Jordan 4.37. Dino get's 'em. Greatest coach and recruiter SU has had.

Both are football and track athletes. Jordan, however, has had more experience as a running back than Tucker and that makes a difference. At the moment I give the best RB to Jordan, he has both speed and moves. He takes the ball from the QB gets out of the backfield quickly looks like he's trapped, jukes the defender and is gone. His stride length, when you look at him quickly, makes him look like he has got to go to get further away or they're going to catch him then a quick transition happens and the burners go on and take him beyond the defenders and what he needs to score.

Go back and look at Jordans tape and compare it to Tuckers. Until they create an event to measure both elite speed and elusiveness in the open field we'll have to be satisfied with elite straight line speed which to me gives the measure that a RB recruit is going to leave the jock strap of a corner/LB 10 feet in the air if he is elusive, has great peripheral vision, knows how to utilize a stutter step and or juke a defender to get into the secondary and beyond. Jordan has these attributes honed to a finer edge than Tucker at the moment IMHO.

def: for those who haven't heard the term. A juke is a move in most forms of American football used to evade a tackler by deception, and thus without need of a stiff arm. It can also be called sidestepping. A typical juke involves a ball-carrier faking as if he will run one way, then planting his foot and running the opposite

GOSU :)
I agree, Jordan can make a sharp cut and change direction at seemingly top speed. He is elusive between the tackles. That's key. It's not just that he has to get around the end to turn on the speed.
 

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Baltimore, like philly and dc, is a breeding ground from athletes that want to win above all else.
 

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Mr. Bailey. Good article, but some things that stood out were a quote, “I think when he got up there, it’s like a marriage,” Davis said. “You find a fit you like and you feel their genuine in their recruitment of you.” And this Yogi Berra gem, “Wax came onto Holzer’s radar at a seventh-grade youth football event, and despite being young for his age, already exuded maturity”
Sorry for policing this. Couldn’t help it.
 

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Nice job. Woodland Hills is a historical PA power. 4A if not mistaken.

Good vision.
 
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For some reason I thought he was smaller like Jawhar Jordan (probably bc of the 4.3 speed) but he looks stocky and pushing 200lbs. Wow, that fast at that size is impressive.
 

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Great job, young man! Keep up the good work!
I loved seeing him run off tackle. He follows his blockers well. I liked that he caught a screen out of the backfield, and I loved the breakaway speed once he got past the linebackers. Great job, congratulations on the W.
 

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For some reason I thought he was smaller like Jawhar Jordan (probably bc of the 4.3 speed) but he looks stocky and pushing 200lbs. Wow, that fast at that size is impressive.

Yeah, he's a bowling ball going downhill.
 

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