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Re: Jimmy B from a UK Board

this sums it up for me.....:rolling:

"I have to rank him in the top 25 College Coaches of all-time.

He wins every year, and how he convinces players to come to Syracuse N.Y. and play basketball there is incredible to me, because that place is a dump."
 
Jimmy B is going to need a couple final fours and likely another 'ship to shut people up about SU's post season struggles. Whenever you stick his resume up against the best... the lack of elite 8's, final fours is quite noticeable.
 
UK fans act like they play the top 15 teams each OOC.

UK games this season:
Marist
Penn State
Radford
Portland
Chattanooga
Samford
Loyola
Lamar
Ark- Little rock
Then the weak SEC
 
My favorite story about Kentucky is from Jerry Tarkanian's autobiography:

Tark had read an article about the #1 recruit in the nation, Sam Bowie of Lebanon, PA. In the article, Bowie listed the things he was looking for in a college: good weather, pretty girls, and a good hotel management program. UNLV had the #1 hotel management program in the US, as well as the weather and the girls, so he started recruiting Bowie.

Eventually it came down to UNLV and UK. Everytime Tark flew in to watch Bowie play or meet with him, he always asked the lady at the motel front desk if any other college coaches had checked into the motel. And he was always told that Leonard Hamilton, then an assistant at UK, was checked in. Always. Tark said that it must have been incredible to have the recruiting budget that an elite school like UK had.

After Bowie started playing at UK, Tark ran into Leonard Hamilton and told him that he heard that he was practically camped out at that motel in Lebanon. And Hamilton told him that he wasn't actually at the hotel all the time, but UK permanently rented the room so they could go there anytime they wanted.

Tark came to find out that UK actually rented the room for Bowie to use at his discretion. Bring his girlfriend there, study, hang out with friends, whatever. Bowie also started driving a used (but late-model) Cadillac during his recruitment.

It's hard to compete with that. By the way, I recommend Tark's book to any college hoops fan. It has great recruiting stories.
 
It's hard and meaningless to measure the all-time greats. But in reality, how many are there?

I think K and Calhoun and 1 and 1a.
Dean Smith with all his Final Fours and Bobby Knight are 2 and 2a.
I guess Wooden would have to be there for his win streak and championships.

Those are pretty much the top 5 ever, and I don't think there's a legitimate argument against that, but it would be fun to have one. Roy Williams and Tom Izzo will likely join that group when their careers are all said and done.

So Kentucky has Rupp. Rupp was winning NCAA tournaments in an era when you had to win a game or two to be the NCAA champion and where the NIT was probably the better tournament. The SEC was always awful so he had no competition there. So who exactly was he playing? I doubt he scheduled the northeastern powers at the time because they were integrated. How much did he really accomplish? If a team played Rupp's schedule today, it would be laughed at.

Boeheim is in the next group with Pitino, Crum, Thompson, Tark and Donovan. I think he's probably in the top 8-12 range of all the people in history that has done his job. And while the lack of Sweet 16 success is a fair criticism when you're trying to compare with Calhoun/Smith/K/Knight - but there really aren't that many guys that two runners up and a national championship compares poorly to.

Seriously, there are a lot of great coaches that JB's resume blows away: Gary Williams, Keady, Carnaseca, Eddie Sutton, Norm Stewart, Rollie, Ray Meyer, among many more.
 
Nice post by the poster NC Wealse, very fair assesment.

These are all just our opinions. None of us know him, so we're just taking shots "in the dark" so to speak.

First off, he married a KY Girl, so he gets a couple of bonus points for that. The man has to have some taste.

Secondly, JB has always been the "other" coach in the Big East. Never "the man". Calhoun, Pitino, Massimino, Carnesecca, Thompson, Wright ... these guys have all had turns being the hot coach. And Jim B stood in the shadows so to speak as the good, but not great coach right behind them during their glory runs. Plodding along just winning games. And he does it in a tough state, the NY Media riding his ass, etc.

I think it probably has given him a tougher shell than he started out with. But that is part Jim and part the Northeastern Media eating the coaches alive up there.

The guy has been winning, his way for a long time. I was happy when he got his NCAA Title because it validated him as a coach. Meant he was as good as anybody, especially in the Big East. Where it is tough.

I 100% agree they don't play a good enough OOC schedule. He has probably hurt his team at times by not leaving NY state early enough in the season, played some better road games prior to the bonference schedule. But the Big East, at times, has also been one helluva gauntlet of games to wade thru as well.

We'll see where the smoke clears on this Bernie Fine stuff. On one hand, if Boeheim knew he should go, you can't protect your coaches over the boys working for the program. There is NEVER an excuse for that. BUT, while he was protecting Fine initially he also said something that is coming true ... these two "victims" are primarily out for money. And their actions aren't typical either. Moving in with their alleged molester? Going back as an adult years later and protestuting himself to Bernie Fine as an adult? Recording a phone call while trying to extort money from the family? .... Maybe his experiences as a molested child lead to all that, but Boeheim wasn't entirely wrong either. And if he wasn't aware that Fine was a molester, it would be easy to see why he said what he said. To top it all off, that same "victim" apparently spoke on the phone and gave info to another person who was NOT a victim but that information allowed that person to sound more credible. To me, that should be a crime too.

We'll have to see when all the facts are in what Boeheim knew, and when.

But purely as a coach, I think he is avery good one. Top 15 for sure.

As far as being arrogrant or an ass. Most people outside Rupp's inner circle said the same thing about him. Strong, confident, passion winners are almost always perceived that way from the outside.

Of the top coaches, only Wooden and maybe Dean Smith come to mind as something otherwise. I am sure there are more, but the majority would fit that description.
 
For me, I can't put Calhoun ahead of Dean. And Wooden seems pretty hard to compare to the more "modern" guys, and ditto Rupp; everything was so different.
 
Can someone please respond to the poster who asked when was the last time we played good competition outside of NY. Kansas, Florida, NCState in just the last three years. God, I hate posters that don't do any research.
 

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