Re: lydon... | Syracusefan.com

Re: lydon...

B

BillSU

Guest
...post below. One and done will exist until the NBA or NCAA changes the rule to where it should be IMO: when you sign on the line for a D1 scholarship you are committed to that school for two years, period. Many reasons why that's a great idea. Otherwise IF you are that good out of high school go make your $.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
BillSU said:
...post below. Until the NBA or NCAA changes the rule to where it should be IMO: when you sign on the line for a D1 scholarship you are committed to that school for two years, period. Many reasons why that's a great idea. Otherwise IF you are that good out of high school go make your $.
Expand...

I agree. I don't care if they go from HS right into the NBA. But having college level players play for two years is good for the fans. You hardly even get to know the one-and-dones. And the quality of the games would be much better.
 
Dave85 said:
I agree. I don't care if they go from HS right into the NBA. But having college level players play for two years is good for the fans. You hardly even get to know the one-and-dones. And the quality of the games would be much better.
Expand...
And does anyone but the fans care? Money still talks.
 
pfister1 said:
Why should a kid who wants and is good enough to play professional ball now have to go to college at all?
Expand...
They don't have to go to college. They can play in an overseas pro league if they can get a contract or go to the D league. If they go to college it's because they think that is the best path. As to why the NBA adopted the age restriction...because they were having a lot of off the court problems with 18 year olds living away from home for the first time with no supervision and the success/failure rate was not attractive to a majority of owners. It's an issue that the NBA needs to resolve.
 
docsu said:
Why should a kid like Ennis have to give up a year because no one knew how good he was?
Expand...

With all due respect, Tyler isn't even close to on that level. He had a good year, but lets not talk about him like he is a melo or lebron type talent.
 
Briancuse said:
With all due respect, Tyler isn't even close to on that level. He had a good year, but lets not talk about him like he is a melo or lebron type talent.
Expand...

I have no idea how this related to what I said.
 
pfister1 said:
Why should a kid who wants and is good enough to play professional ball now have to go to college at all?
Expand...
That's really the right question.
So is: why should colleges be doing the work of basketball minor leagues instead of focusing on education?

Answer, in a word, M-O-N-E-Y.

There's so much money involved now that colleges don't want kids to go right from high school to the NBA and cost them players who can bring in the fan$$$.

And it's also the reason - whether I like it or not - that colleges are going to have to start sharing the wealth with the players.
 
Col. Bleep said:
That's really the right question.
So is: why should colleges be doing the work of basketball minor leagues instead of focusing on education?

Answer, in a word, M-O-N-E-Y.

There's so much money involved now that colleges don't want kids to go right from high school to the NBA and cost them players who can bring in the fan$$$.

And it's also the reason - whether I like it or not - that colleges are going to have to start sharing the wealth with the players.
Expand...

But I'd have to imagine that most college fans care more that their team its doing well than they do that they have the best players.

If the college basketball talent pool was devoid of five star talent I don't think the game would be hurT. The quality of pay may actually improve.
 
docsu said:
I have no idea how this related to what I said.
Expand...

You said why should he give up a year, like he was some phenom who was just wasting his time in college.
 
Madbiker said:
They don't have to go to college. They can play in an overseas pro league if they can get a contract or go to the D league. If they go to college it's because they think that is the best path. As to why the NBA adopted the auge restriction...because they were having a lot of off the court problems with 18 year olds living away from home for the first time with no supervision and the success/failure rate was not attractive to a majority of owners. It's an issue that the NBA needs to resolve.
Expand...
So, you are okay with a system that forces a citizen to leave the country to pursue their profession, because they are not yet 19 years old. Your rationale was the age restriction was put in because of of court problems (which is false) and now kids the same age should move to another continent.
The real reason the NBA has the restriction is to lessen the number of draft mistakes: fewer Kwame Browns.
 
Briancuse said:
You said why should he give up a year, like he was some phenom who was just wasting his time in college.
Expand...

Ennis was on no one's draft radar when he committed to Syracuse. He parlayed his year here into a first round draft pick. Some here would change the rules do that a kid like that would have to stay in college an extra year when a professional league would pay for his services...which I hardly think is fair.
 
docsu said:
Ennis was on no one's draft radar when he committed to Syracuse. He parlayed his year here into a first round draft pick. Some here would change the rules do that a kid like that would have to stay in college an extra year when a professional league would pay for his services...which I hardly think is fair.
Expand...

Sorry, but I disagree with your opinion on fairness. College basketball fans are an important part of every major program. Without the fans, the college players would not have the high profile platform they need to get drafted by the NBA. Almost all college players don't even make it to the NBA.

"Players that have been out of high school for at least three years are eligible for the NFL draft. The rules do not state that a player must attend college, but virtually all of the players selected in the NFL draft have played college football."
 
Dave85 said:
Sorry, but I disagree with your opinion on fairness. College basketball fans are an important part of every major program. Without the fans, the college players would not have the high profile platform they need to get drafted by the NBA. Almost all college players don't even make it to the NBA.

"Players that have been out of high school for at least three years are eligible for the NFL draft. The rules do not state that a player must attend college, but virtually all of the players selected in the NFL draft have played college football."
Expand...

So...the players need the fans more than the fans need the players?

Fascinating.
 
I would love to see kids play two years minimum but what if they don't want to be there? In the military, I watched people who wanted out smoke dope until they got caught. They would find a way out and it wouldn't be pretty.
 
Dave85 said:
Sorry, but I disagree with your opinion on fairness. College basketball fans are an important part of every major program. Without the fans, the college players would not have the high profile platform they need to get drafted by the NBA. Almost all college players don't even make it to the NBA.
Expand...

players had no problem going to the league without going to school before 2005. He'll a kids going in the top five this year and he chose paying on the other side of the world over college.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
docsu said:
Ennis was on no one's draft radar when he committed to Syracuse. He parlayed his year here into a first round draft pick. Some here would change the rules do that a kid like that would have to stay in college an extra year when a professional league would pay for his services...which I hardly think is fair.
Expand...

And some here would argue that he wasn't ready for the nba, and could have used another year in college. People want to change the one year rule so the Lebron's and Kobe's, guys who are legit ready for the nba right out of hs, can put their name in the draft.
 
Briancuse said:
And some here would argue that he wasn't ready for the nba, and could have used another year in college. People want to change the one year rule so the Lebron's and Kobe's, guys who are legit ready for the nba right out of hs, can put their name in the draft.
Expand...

I don't know why you talk about guys being "ready." It really has nothing to do with that.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
So, you are okay with a system that forces a citizen to leave the country to pursue their profession, because they are not yet 19 years old. Your rationale was the age restriction was put in because of of court problems (which is false) and now kids the same age should move to another continent.
The real reason the NBA has the restriction is to lessen the number of draft mistakes: fewer Kwame Browns.
Expand...
Both reasons I noted were given by the NBA for the 19 age restriction. I didn't say I was in favor of it...merely provided the league's rationale. The NFL has draft restrictions also based on a kid being 3 years out of high school and certain professions have rules also.
 
NFL has 3 years out of HS & MLB has either go straight from HS or 3 years in NCAA. I'd be completely on board with a compromise of either go straight from HS or 2 years minimum in NCAA. Really see no down side whatsoever, if the elite kids can get a guaranteed 4 year deal at 18, then they should have the right to.
 
chugg21 said:
NFL has 3 years out of HS & MLB has either go straight from HS or 3 years in NCAA. I'd be completely on board with a compromise of either go straight from HS or 2 years minimum in NCAA. Really see no down side whatsoever, if the elite kids can get a guaranteed 4 year deal at 18, then they should have the right to.
Expand...

I like the idea. But there are some key differences between the NBA and the NFL or MLB. There is such a huge disparity in physical development between college underclassmen and pro football players that it would be downright unsafe to accept draftees any sooner. And the MLB has a fully developed and successful farm system at its disposal. The NBA doesn't have the same physical barriers and the D-League is obviously not good at this point, at all.

If the NBA could find a way to establish a farm system that makes sense and serves the players well (doesn't pay them just peanuts), then something similar to the MLB setup would be a perfect compromise. With the summer and winter classes most players take, 2 years is enough to get them 75% of the way to a degree, if they want it, which should satisfy the NCAA (not that we should care what the NCAA thinks).
 
Everybody talks about MLB system. Do you realize the most talked about rookie in the majors this year is 23 years old? Look up the top 10 youngest in the league. The average age is about 24. It's a once in a blue moon that you see a teenager playing MLB. 2 blue moons! So is the kid better off getting paid 100's (that 100's) of dollars for much of his minor league career (not counting some signing bonus) with the hopes of playing in the NBA or going to college and earning even a basket weaving degree. Ok, the NBA model would be different but I would bet not by a huge amount.
 
SBU72 said:
Everybody talks about MLB system. Do you realize the most talked about rookie in the majors this year is 23 years old? Look up the top 10 youngest in the league. The average age is about 24. It's a once in a blue moon that you see a teenager playing MLB. 2 blue moons! So is the kid better off getting paid 100's (that 100's) of dollars for much of his minor league career (not counting some signing bonus) with the hopes of playing in the NBA or going to college and earning even a basket weaving degree. Ok, the NBA model would be different but I would bet not by a huge amount.
Expand...

Funny you should mention blue moon...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/odombl01.shtml
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Forum statistics

Threads
170,344
Messages
4,885,828
Members
5,992
Latest member
meierscreek

Share this page

Online statistics

Members online
182
Guests online
1,077
Total visitors
1,259
Totals may include hidden visitors.


...
Top Bottom