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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 2864421, member: 2531"] I’d be happy if we can work our way up to #5 in the ACC. FSU, Miami, and Clemson can wake up and be above us in recruiting. Pitt, VT, UL, and arguably GT all have advantages that we don’t (in location and/or lax academics). Losing to the top group, beating 3/4 of the next group, and not losing to any of the rest is a perfectly fine showing that will keep us competitive year in and year out, and it will set us up for occasional special seasons. [/QUOTE]