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Message: [QUOTE="hoopsupstate, post: 907404, member: 13"] That sounds like an excuse to me. As I look at SU's starting five in hoops, there are no NY state players. There is one difference. JB gets most of the top talent in NYS. SU football never can close the deal with the "higher rated" players. There's some talent in NY and NJ but SU football can't get any of the better ones. Since, Coach P left SU it appears that New Jersey is almost an after thought in recruiting for football. [/QUOTE]