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Message: [QUOTE="Pyle, post: 5235824, member: 137"] P hit a bad skid due to Vick's commitment, lack of resources, and loyalty to an outdated OC. Paterno also hit a bad skid. We fired P and suffered 20 years of garbage. P State didn't fire Paterno and found success just a few years after Joe figured out his crap. You guys hanging on to this idea it was still his time are hardheaded, stubborn, and probably don't learn from your own mistakes. P needed resources and time to correct the ship. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't but we fired a guy who had what 1 losing regular season in a decade and a half? Our floor used to be a bowl game. It's taken us 20 years just to get back to that point. Firing P was BAD. Only your ego is telling you otherwise at this point. Ask yourself this? At what point in the past 20 years have we had a stretch of 3 years that were better than any part of the P era, even at the end? Marrone maybe? But those were 8 win seasons and P was certainly capable of those. [/QUOTE]