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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 156629, member: 289"] It’s the change your head coach season and some familiar names keep coming up- Jeff Fisher, Mike Mularkey: there’s even talk of Wade Phillips getting a fourth gig, (six if you count interim coaching gigs). It often seems that Owners and General Managers lack imagination: they’d rather go with a “known quantity”, sometimes regardless of the previous success rate of success. I decided to look at the roster of present and former NFL coaches to see how well coaches did in each of their gigs and how often they equaled or exceeded their initial rate of success. In doing this I noted that there were a lot of interim coaching gigs over the years so I limited this list to gigs that lasted at least a full season, (records as an interim coach before a full season and records for coaches fired in mid season after a full season are included).. I’ll put a ‘+’ after every record that improved in at least one gig after the first one- and was a wining record. George Allen- Rams (1966-70) 49-17-4 .742, Redskins (1971-77) 69-35-1 .663 Roy Andrews- Kansas City Blues/Cowboys (1924-26) 12-15-1 .444, Cleveland Bulldogs (1927) 8-4-1 .667, Detroit Wolverines (1928) 7-2-1 .778, Giants (1929-30) 24-5-1 .828 + Joe Bach- Steelers (1935-36) 10-14 .417, (1952-53) 11-13 .458 Sammy Baugh- Titans (1960-61) 14-14 .500, Oilers (1964) 4-10 .286 Bill Belichick- Browns (1991-95) 37-45 .451 Patriots (2000-11) 153-58 .725 + Leeman Bennett- Falcons (1977-82) 47-44 .516 Buccaneers (1985-86) 4-28 .125 Punk Berryman- Frankford Yellow Jackets (1924) 11-2-1 .846, Brooklyn Lions 3-8 .273 Paul Brown- Browns (1946-62) 167-53-8 .759, Bengals (1968-75) 55-59-1 .482 Joe Bugel- Cardinals (1990-93) 20-44 .313, Raiders (1997) 4-12 .250 Marion Campbell- Falcons (1974-76) 6-19 .240, Eagles (1983-85) 17-29-1 .370, Falcons (1987-89) 11-32 .256 Dom Capers- Panthers (1995-98) 31-34 .477, Texans (2002-05) 18-46 .281 Pete Carroll- Jets (1994) 6-10 .375, Patriots (1997-99) 28-23 .549, Seahawks (2010-11) 14-18 .438 + Guy Chamberlin- Canton/Cleveland Bulldogs (1922-24) 28-1-3 .966 Frankford Yellow Jackets (1925-26) 27-8-2 (.771) Cardinals (1927) 3-7-1 (.300) Dutch Clark- Lions (1937-38) 14-8 .636, Rams (1939-42) 16-26-3 .381 Monte Clark- 49ers (1976) 8-6 .571, Lions (1978-84) 43-65-1 .398 Potsy Clark- Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions (1931-36) 49-20-6 .710, Brooklyn Dodgers (1937-39) 11-17-5 .393 Lions (1940) 5-5-1 .500 Jimmy Conzelman- Rock Island Independents (1921-22) 8-3-1 .727, Milwaukee Badgers 7-5-3 .583, Detroit Panthers (1925-26) 12-8-4 .600, Providence Steam Rollers (1927-30) 26-16-6 .619, Cardinals (1940-42) 8-22-3 .267, (1946-48) 27-10 .730 + Bruce Coslet- Jets (1990-93) 26-38 .406, Bengals (1996-2000) 21-39 .350 Don Coryell- Cardinals (1973-77) 42-29-1 .592 Chargers (1978-86) 72-60 .545 Tom Coughlin- Jaguars (1995-02) 72-64 .529 Giants (2004-11) 79-57 .580 + Dudley DeGroot- Redskins (1944-45) 14-6-1 .700, Los Angeles Dons (1946-47) 12-11-2 ..522 Mike Ditka- Bears (1982-92) 112-68 .631, Saints (1997-99) 15-33 .313 Paddy Driscoll- Cardinals (1920-22) 17-8-4 .680, Bears (1956-57) 14-10-1 .583 Tony Dungy- Buccaneers (1996-01) 56-46 .549, Colts (2002-03) 92-33 .736 + Cap Edwards- Canton Bulldogs (1921) 5-2-3 .714 Cleveland Bulldogs (1925) 5-8-1 .385 Herman Edwards- Jets (2001-05) 41-44 .482, Chiefs (2006-08) 15-33 .313 Dennis Erickson- Seahawks (1995-98) 31-33 .484, 49ers (2003-04) 9-23 .125 Weeb Ewbank- Colts (1954-62) 61-52-1 .532 Jets (1963-1973) 73-78-6 (.483) Guil Falcon- Chicago Tigers (1920) 2-5-1 .286, Toledo Maroons (1922-23) 8-5-4 .615 + Ray Flaherty- Redskins (1936-42) 56-23-3 .709 New York Yankees (1946-48) 22-10-2 .688, Chicago Hornets (1949) 4-8 .333 Tom Flores- Raiders (1979-87) 91-56 .619, Seahawks (92-94) 14-34 .292 John Fox- Panthers (2002-10) 73-71 .507, Broncos (2011) 9-9 .500 Chan Gailey- Cowboys (1998-99) 18-16 .529, Bills (2010-11) 10-22 .313 Joe Gibbs- Redskins (1981-92) 140-65 .683, (2004-07) 31-36 .463 Sid Gillman- Rams (1955-59) 28-32-1 .467, Chargers (1961-69) 83-51-6 .619, Oilers 8-15 .348 + Jerry Glanville- Oilers (1985-89) 35-35 .500, Falcons (1990-93) 28-38 .424 Bud Grant- Vikings (1967-83) 161-99-5 .619 (1985) 7-9 .438 Dennis Green- Vikings (1992-2001) 101-70 .591, Cardinals (2004-06) 16-32 .333 Forrest Gregg- Browns (1975-77) 18-23 .439, Bengals (1980-83) 34-27 .557, Packers (1984-87) 25-37 .403 + Jon Gruden- Raiders (1998-2001) 40-28 .588, Buccaneers (2002-08) 60-57 .513 George Halas- Decatur Staleys/Bears (1920-55) 248-98-25 .717, (1958-67) 76-53-6 .589 Dan Henning- Falcons (1983-86) 22-41-1 .349, Chargers (1989-91) 16-32 .333 Fats Henry- Canton Bulldogs (1926) 1-9-3 .100, Pottsville Maroons (1928) 2-8 .200 Mike Holmgren- Packers (1992-98) 84-42 .667, Seahawks (1999-2008) 90-80 .529 Lindy Infante- Packers (1988-91) 24-40 .375, Colts (1996-97) 12-21 .364 Dick Jauron- Bears (1999-2003) 35-46 .432, Bills (2006-09) 24-33 .421 Jimmy Johnson- Cowboys (1989-93) 51-37 .580 Dolphins (1996-99) 38-31 .551 Walt Kiesling- Pittsburgh Pirates/Steelers (1939-44- including 1943 as the “Steagles” and 1944 as the “Carpets“) 16-33-5 .327, Steelers (1951-53) 14-22 .389 Chuck Knox- Rams (1973-77) 57-20-1 .740, Bills (1978-82) 38-38 .500, Seahawks (1983-91) 83-67 .553, Rams (1992-94) 15-33 .313 Rick Kotite- Eagles (1991-94) 37-29 .561, Jets (1995-96) 4-28 .125 Joe Kuharich- Cardinals (1952) 4-8 .333, Redskins (1954-58) 26-32-2 .448, Eagles (1964-68) 28-41-1 .406 Curly Lambeau- Packers (1921-49) 212-106-21 .667, Cardinals (1950-51) 7-15 .318, Redskins (1952-53) 10-13-1 .435 Wally Lemm- Cardinals (1962-65) 27-26-3 .509, Oilers (1966-70) 28-40-4 .412 Vince Lombardi- Packers (1959-67) 98-30-4 .766, Redskins (1969) 7-5-2 .583 Eric Mangini- Jets (2006-08) 23-25 .479, Browns (2009-10) 10-22 .313 Ted Marchibroda- Colts (1975-79) 41-37 ..526, Colts (1992-95) 32-35 .478, Ravens (1996-98) 16-31-1 .340 Steve Mariucci- 49ers (1997-2002) 60-43 .583, Lions (2003-05) 15-28 .349 Mike McCormick- Eagles (1973-75) 16-25-1 .390, Colts (1980-81) 9-23 .281 James Ernest Mora- Saints (1986-96) 93-78 .544, Colts (1998-01) 32-34 .485 James Lawrence Mora- Falcons 27-23 .540, Seahawks (2009) 5-11 .313 Ernie Nevers- Duluth Eskimos (1927) 1-8 .111, Cardinals (1930-31) 10-9-2 .526, (1939) 1-10 .091 + Mike Nixon- Redskins (1959-60) 4-18-2 .182 Steelers (1965) 2-12 .143 Dick Nolan- 49ers (1968-75) 54-53-5 .505 Saints (1978-80) 15-29 .341 Jack Pardee- Bears (1975-77) 20-23 .476, Redskins (1978-80) 24-24 .500, Oilers 44-35 .557 + Buddy Parker- Cardinals (1949) 6-5-1 .535, Lions (1951-56) 50-24-2 .676, Steelers (157-64) 51-47-6 .520 + Ray Perkins- Giants (1979-82) 24-35 .407, Buccaneers (1987-90) 19-41 .317 Jim Phelan- Los Angeles Dons (1948-49) 11-15 .423, Dallas Texans (1952) 1-11 .083 Bum Phillips- Oilers (1975-80) 59-38 .608, Saints 27-42 .391 Wade Phillips- Broncos (1993-94) 16-16 .500, Bills (1998-2000) 29-21 .580, Cowboys (2007-10) 35-24 .593 + Earl Potteiger- Kenosha Maroons (1924) 0-4-1 .000 New York Giants 15-8-3 .652 + Tommy Prothro- Rams (1971-72) 14-12-2 .538 Chargers (1974-1978) 21-39 .350 Dick Rauch- Pottsville Maroons (1925-27) 25-12-2 .676, New York Yankees (1928) 4-8-1 .333, Boston Bulldogs (1929) 4-4 .500 Johnny Rauch- Oakland Raiders (1966-68) 35-10-1 ..778, Buffalo Bills (1969-70) 7-20-1 .259 Dan Reeves- Broncos (1981-92) 117-79-1 .597, Giants (1992-1996) 32-34 .485, Falcons (1997-2003) 52-61 .460 Ray Rhodes- Eagles (1995-98) 30-36-1 ..455, Packers (1999) 8-8 .500 Bobby Ross- Chargers (1992-96) 50-36 .581, Lions (1997-2000) 27-30 .474 Lou Saban- Patriots (1960-61) 7-12 .368, Bills (1962-65) 38-18-3 .679, Broncos (1967-71) 20-42-3 .323, Bills (1972-76) 32-29-1 .525 + Dewey Scanlon- Duluth Kelleys/Eskimos 11-9-3 .545, Cardinals 6-6-1 .500 Paul Schissler- Cardinals (1933-34) 6-15-1 .286, Brooklyn Dodgers (1935-36) 8-14-2 .364 Marty Schottenheimer- Browns (1984-88) 46-31 .597, Chiefs (1989-98) 104-65-1 ..615, Redskins (2001) 8-8 .500, Chargers (2002-06) 47-35 .573 + George Seifert- 49ers (1989-96) 108-35 .755, Panthers (1999-2001) 16-32 .333 Mike Shanahan- Raiders (1988-89) 8-12 .400, Broncos (1995-2008) 146-91 .616, Redskins 11-21 .344 + Buck Shaw- 49ers, (1946-54) 72-40-4 .643, Eagles (1958-60) 19-16-1 .543 Art Shell- Raiders (1989-94) 54-38 .587, Raiders (2006) 2-14 .125 Don Shula- Colts (1963-69) 72-26-4 .735, Dolphins (1970-95) 274-197-2 .582 Nick Skorich- Eagles (1961-63) 15-24-3 .385, Browns (1971-74) 30-26-2 .536 + Red Strader- New York Yankees (1948-51) 21-24-2 .467, 49ers (1955) 4-8 .333 Hank Stram- Texans/Chiefs (1960-74) 129-79-10 .620 Saints (1976=77) 7-21 .250 Joe Stydahar- Rams (1950-52) 19-9 .679, Cardinals (1953-54) 3-20-1 .130 Harland Svare- Rams (1962-65) 14-31-3 .311, Chargers (1971-73) 7-17-2 .292 Jim Thorpe- Canton Bulldogs (1920) 7-4-2 .636, Cleveland Indians (1921) 3-5 .375, Oorang Indians (1922-23) 4-16 .200 Norv Turner- Redskins (1994-2000) 50-60-1 .455, Raiders (2004-05) 9-23 .281, Chargers (2007-11) 52-34 .605 + Rube Ursella- Rock Island Independents (1920) 6-2-1 .750, Minneapolis Marines (1921) 1-3 .250, Rock Island Independents (1925) 5-3-3 .625 Norm Van Brocklin- Vikings (1961-66) 29-51-4 .363, Falcons (1968-74) 37-49-3 .430 Dick Vermeil- Eagles (1976-82) 57-51 .528, Rams (1997-99) 25-26 .490, Chiefs (2001-05) 44-37 .543 + Dave Wannstedt- Bears (1993-98) 41-57 .418, Dolphins (2000-04) 43-33 .566 + George Wilson- Bears (1957-64) 55-47-6 .539, Dolphins (1966-69) 15-39-2 .278 Charley Winner- Cardinals (1966-70) 35-30-5 .538, Jets (1974-75) 9-14 .391 Lud Wray- Braves (1932) 4-4-2 .500, Eagles (1933-35) 9-21-1 .300 Sam Wyche- Bengals (1984-91) 64-68 .485, Buccaneers (1992-95) 23-41 .359 Comments: Of the 119 coaches listed here, 20 of them had a later coaching gig in which their winning percentage was higher than the first- and was a winning record. That’s 16.8%. Of course that’s a little deceiving when you consider the success coaches like George Allen, Don Coryell, Weeb Ewbank and Don Shula and in their second gigs, for which they are probably more famous. Other coaches, like Jon Gruden, Buck Shaw and Dick Vermeil, had lower winning percentages in their second gig but they also won a championship in that stretch. Then there are Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer, Johnny Appleseeds of winning, who had success wherever they went, but not always at the same rate. Some coaches, such as Joe Gibbs, Bud Grant, Ted Marchibroda, returned to the scene of their greatest success but were unable to recreate it. George Halas retired for a couple of years and then decided to come back for another decade and won a title but didn’t have quite the same winning percentage. Comparing first gigs to second gigs, 20 coaches were winners in both. Three went from a winner to .500. 36 went from winners to losers. Two went from .500 to a losing record and one went the other way. 23 guys went from one losing gig to another. Fourteen guys went from a losing gig to a winning record. That’s out of 38 guys who had a losing record to begin with. Of course often it’s not the coach but the situation he inherits that counts. But I suspect teams that are not in good situations don’t get the best coaches. The best guys are looking for places where they can win championships. The lesser teams have to settle for lesser coaches. Still, rehabilitanting a failed coach’s career with a new job doesn’t seem to work all that often. And bringing in a winner is no guarantee that he’ll bring his wins with him. 　　　　 [/QUOTE]

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