Rewatched the game

[kingottoiii]

Some plays that hurt us

-Mackey's "trip" which IMO was a questionable call. So instead of 4th and 1 punting from Minny territory we ended up getting sacked and punting from our own 25. They got a TD the next drive largely in part to good field position.

-Whigham getting destroyed for a big gain. Anderson was out on the play. I don't get why every other team can have 2 DBs play all game yet we rotate 3 guys. That is fine if all are good but playing a true frosh his first snaps in a big game doesn't make sense when you have Anderson.

-Lemon's false start on 3rd and 2 and then the GOD AWFUL decision to pitch it to Smith on 3rd and 7. It was almost like we were too lazy to change the play. May have cost us points. First of all don't run it. Why do we run so often on 3rd and long? Second if you do run it USE PTG!

-After cutting it to 7-3 the D let Minny go right down the field but luckily they missed a gimme FG. Included in that was a "PI" on Anderson where I am not sure he touched him. Also their QB started 6-7 passing. Wasn't a good start by the D. Shoulda been 10-0 a few mins into the 2nd Q.

-Next drive 3rd and 10 at midfield we handed it off to PTG. Really?!!!! We are now 20 mins in and the TOs have not been a factor.

-After a 3 and out by the D we had good field position yet go run, run, pass, punt.

-After another good stop by the D we have field position. There is under 4 mins left in the half we have 3 points and TOs havent been a factor. Lemon has a drop but it didn't seem to cost us as we follow it up with 2 first downs completions. 1st and 10 at the 31 comes Nassib's awful fumble. That killed the drive and may have cost us points.

-Lyn got beat deep for a TD but luckily they held Goggins. Huge swing.

-Minny opens the half going 87 yards for a TD. Early on they have a 3rd and 8 but convert with ease as we gave a huge cushion. Simply pitch and catch. We were blitzing but that is negated when you make it that easy to pass. We had no chance to even get to the QB. Need to tighten up coverage. That is coaching.

-Later Shamarko gets beat deep.

-On 3rd and goal we are confused on D and need to use a TO. Why is it that in goaline we almost always take a TO on D? Disorganized AGAIN. They appeared to be passing and then after the TO come out and run it where Wilkes misses a tackle. TD Minny.

-Awful return by Broyld too much dancing. He isn't a pure speed guy which IMO you need on KR.

-A false start makes it 3rd and 13. They bail us out with a roughing the passer. That is basically a TO on Minny. We got lucky again.

-FIRST AND GOAL AT THE ONE!!!! All you need to do is sneak it four times and you have a 99% chance of scoring. First down we run out of the shotgun. On 2nd down we toss it to a slow RB and lose three yards. Next play is the INT where we allowed a blitzer to walk in untouched right up the middle. Sorry but this TO should NEVER have happened. That is on the coaches. The INT prevented us from getting 3 points but the coaches cost us 7 there. They were a much bigger factor.

-We are now 41 mins into the game and we are down 14-3. The D was poor in the first and third Qs, but played well in the second. The O was poor all game. The coaching cost us quite a few points and were a much bigger factor at this point than the TOs. Also at this point I think we have actually had better luck than they had. If you take away our TOs, then you have to add back their mistakes as well. That would make it at best 17-10 Minny and at worst 24-3 Minny. Both are unacceptable. Their mistakes were actually MORE costly than ours.

-Bromley with the personal foul with Minny pinned back.

-Weak fumble by Broyld. He needs to do better there. That was a real killer.

-Later on we had a drive killed by pressure. Foy allowed a sack. Next play Hickey got beat bad but Nassib got off a shovel pass. Then on 3rd Nassib was forced to scramble. Three and out.

-We get the ball back down 17-3. Sales gets his first catch negated when Wales was covered on the LOS. He was ineligible downfield.

 

[Rocco]

I was just starting to feel better, dick. Good recap. It's amazing how many things went wrong and how many times WE shot ourselves in the foot. Hindsight is always 20-20, but we shouldn't have lost that game. 3 turnovers in the red zone. Good grief. Pick on a tip on the 1st play from scrimmage. Twilight zone man.

 

[CuyahogaCuse]

Watching that game once was enough, thank you very much.

 

[bevosu]

The original poster has the same name as a guy named King who writes similarly, sets the same type of mood.

Eerie.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I'm really waiting for a team to hand us a game with all of their mistakes and penalties, instead of the other way around.:bang:

 

[SWC75]

You have my sympathy, (for having to sit through that again).

 

[SoBeCuse]

I can't believe that recap didn't include Diabate.

 

[Alsacs]

Agree with your points about when we got down to the 1 yd line. You shouldn't shotgun the ball just go under center it sets up the play action if you want to throw. As much as we all wanted the shotgun added to the playbook we can't you use it every play, and if your going to call the pitch to the corner you have to PTG over Smith on pure speed.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

-FIRST AND GOAL AT THE ONE!!!! All you need to do is sneak it four times and you have a 99% chance of scoring. First down we run out of the shotgun. On 2nd down we toss it to a slow RB and lose three yards. Next play is the INT where we allowed a blitzer to walk in untouched right up the middle. Sorry but this TO should NEVER have happened. That is on the coaches. The INT prevented us from getting 3 points but the coaches cost us 7 there. They were a much bigger factor.

This has to be a question to Marrone in his radio show or whatever? How the hell do you spin out of this. Gotta be one of the top 10 worst play calling in his illustrious career. Someone start a top ten list. Not going for TD in Rutgers OT from 1 yd. line, punting from USC 32 etc.

 

[SmilinBob]

What is absolutely maddening is having it be 3rd and 3...jump offsides now it's 3rd and 8 and then gain 6 yards on a short pass.

 

[ForeverOrange]

The fact that you took the time to retorture yourself and watch that again is absolutely amazing. The best I could do was give myself time to calm down and read some posts here and catch some laughs. In the post about predictions I think some of us just really thought we'd be drastically better. In some ways we do look better, but just like I said in the predictions, other teams will be better too. Still think we will make our 5-7 record, I don't think it's all disasterous. To me the biggest difference between us and Minn was the big play, they took shots downfield, and I believe the one shot we took down field the ball was about 10-15 yards ahead of the receiver. It just takes us too long to score, it makes us very susceptible to mistakes and turnovers. I love Nassib, and I hope he gets his shot in the pros, but I can't wait for the day we get a qb that can get the ball down field a couple times. Hurts to watch a backup qb from the opposing team throw long on us and to know we can't do the same. Those big plays really make a difference, and don't tell me we don't have the receivers to do it, it wasn't like our db's weren't in the plays, they just had faith that their receivers would make a play on the ball.

 

[rrlbees]

I love Nassib, and I hope he gets his shot in the pros, but I can't wait for the day we get a qb that can get the ball down field a couple times. Hurts to watch a backup qb from the opposing team throw long on us and to know we can't do the same.

OL.


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[TheOrangeBuddha]

As an aside, there should be no credit given Minnesota on the TD play that was called back on the Goggins hold. Yes, it was a great throw and we had good coverage. But the throw never happens if the lineman doesn't tackle Goggins a half step from Shortell. Goggins beat him from the snap and would have easily sacked Shortell before any pass was attempted.

 

[SmilinBob]

What was the longest throw Nassib had vs Minny? I'm not talking about throw and catch but the ball being in the air for x amount of yards and then being caught?

 

[RoysRunts]

Wheatly teach's Receiver on Sideline How to catch a Punt :bang:

 

[rrlbees]

As an aside, there should be no credit given Minnesota on the TD play that was called back on the Goggins hold. Yes, it was a great throw and we had good coverage. But the throw never happens if the lineman doesn't tackle Goggins a half step from Shortell. Goggins beat him from the snap and would have easily sacked Shortell before any pass was attempted.

Absolutely. I said the same thing when it happened. No hold, no pass. Had him dead to rights.

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[SmilinBob]

A couple of things I was wondering about are:

#1. SU throws a quick out and the SU receiver has to beat 2 defensive players while others have blockers there to help.

#2 Were there any misdirection plays called by the Syracuse offense?

 

[kingottoiii]

As an aside, there should be no credit given Minnesota on the TD play that was called back on the Goggins hold. Yes, it was a great throw and we had good coverage. But the throw never happens if the lineman doesn't tackle Goggins a half step from Shortell. Goggins beat him from the snap and would have easily sacked Shortell before any pass was attempted.

That is true. But if people want to play the what if game with the TOs then what if the G didn't get beat so bad? You can't have it both ways. Minny made just as many mistakes.

 

[orangecuse]

That is true. But if people want to play the what if game with the TOs then what if the G didn't get beat so bad? You can't have it both ways. Minny made just as many mistakes.

Well, I see your point, but I don't think it's really apples to apples. Here's an argument as to why. We were in the red zone once and driving and approaching it again on two other occasions when they occurred. The turnovers, at least imo, were more of our lack of focus/discipline, or self inflicted wounds. The hold on Goggins was a hugh reason why the TD was made in the first place. If the hold doesn't occur, their qb is likely sacked for a loss. I don't think the Minny lineman guilty of the hold was self-inflicted as much as just flat out getting beat or out executed on that particular play (which, of course, is football and happens on every single play in some capacity)...if that makes any sense. :noidea:

 

[Chip]

That is true. But if people want to play the what if game with the TOs then what if the G didn't get beat so bad? You can't have it both ways. Minny made just as many mistakes.

Yeah, but that's twice we've been called "lucky" on that play (you and OPA). QBs make great throws when they have time to make them. All it takes is one guy for a QB not to have time. And our one guy beat his guy, so Minny committed a very obvious penalty.

I'm not on the list of people who wants to play what-if. We had bad turnovers because of our own mistakes. Anyone who thinks it was a one time thing isn't watching all that closely. We make a lot of mistakes.

 

[kingottoiii]

Yeah, but that's twice we've been called "lucky" on that play (you and OPA). QBs make great throws when they have time to make them. All it takes is one guy for a QB not to have time. And our one guy beat his guy, so Minny committed a very obvious penalty.

I'm not on the list of people who wants to play what-if. We had bad turnovers because of our own mistakes. Anyone who thinks it was a one time thing isn't watching all that closely. We make a lot of mistakes.

I am using "lucky" because Marrone in the presser seemed to attribute that to the loss. That missed block was like a TO as it cost them 7 points. The roughing the passer was like a TO as it extended our drive. The two missed FGs were like TOs as it cost them 3 points. We didn't just lose because of TOs. To think that is missing the bigger issues we have.

 

[OrangeFoo]

The original post just makes me even more angry at the coaches... I don't think Schafer can cut it and needs to go. How many times over the last 3 years has our D looked confused or been beaten by the same play over and over or has given the other guys 10 yard cushions on 3rd and less than 10 so it's an easy completion? If Marrone wants to play an offense that is predicated around 5 to 10 yard plays he better have a D that makes big plays and Schafer's D isn't really capable of every changing field position for the positive. For everyone who says but we only gave up 17 points or whatever, Minny had guys wide open on a number of plays, we have had serious coverage issues for 3 years now and they never get fixed.

The O has some problems for sure but I thin Schafer and his D have problems that are just as bad. Really they need to get some real coaches in here for game days. It's sad because they are doing a lot right everywhere but the football field on Saturdays.

 

[Chip]

I am using "lucky" because Marrone in the presser seemed to attribute that to the loss. That missed block was like a TO as it cost them 7 points. The roughing the passer was like a TO as it extended our drive. The two missed FGs were like TOs as it cost them 3 points. We didn't just lose because of TOs. To think that is missing the bigger issues we have.

Marrone's state of mind wasn't so great after that game. Don't think I've seen him that depressed. I'm sure he's well aware that the right side of his line is a complete mess right now, and as a former OL who cut his teeth as an OL coach, I'm sure that's eating him up.

If we get even average right side OL play in that game, we might be talking about a 20-17 slugfest win. But instead we allowed Minnesota to get consistent front four pressure.

 

[Fjoinkay]

4 TOs to 0 TOs is disaster no matter how you slice it. And then when you factor in the SU penalties it's very ugly and sloppy. But I could sit here and write out a very plausible scenario where if SU has 0 TOs and Minny has 0 TOs, SU wins a close game. And I could certainly write a very plausible scenario where if SU has 0 TOs and Minny has 4 TOs SU wins the game with comfort.

Against coverage Nassib takes longer to make decisions.

 

[SWC75]

-FIRST AND GOAL AT THE ONE!!!! All you need to do is sneak it four times and you have a 99% chance of scoring. First down we run out of the shotgun. On 2nd down we toss it to a slow RB and lose three yards. Next play is the INT where we allowed a blitzer to walk in untouched right up the middle. Sorry but this TO should NEVER have happened. That is on the coaches. The INT prevented us from getting 3 points but the coaches cost us 7 there. They were a much bigger factor.

This has to be a question to Marrone in his radio show or whatever? How the hell do you spin out of this. Gotta be one of the top 10 worst play calling in his illustrious career. Someone start a top ten list. Not going for TD in Rutgers OT from 1 yd. line, punting from USC 32 etc.

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