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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 37306, member: 40"] Qdawgg, this is an interesting, thoughtful post. I'm going to respond to a few points you make. --RE: your assessment of calling out the players, I honestly don't disagree. I have never had--nor will I ever have--an issue with people critiquing players' performance. I do however have a problem with adults making personal attacks on the players due to temper tantrums during games. And the clown I was arguing with above is one of the worst in the history of this forum of going off on players in the game chat. There's a big difference between "what a dumb pass" or "this player should know better than to do X Y Z" or "that player is experienced enough to know better than to do that" and "YOU ING --I ING HATE YOU...WHY THE DID YOU TAKE THAT SHOT?" And anyone who has participated in the game chats knows that the poster I was arguing with above consistently makes the latter kind of personal attacks on the players. This is not an embellishment on my part. --I agree with your premise about the president as a symbol, and how insidious it is to wish harm on this symbol of our philosophical way of life. Building on your GWB example, I'm not an Obama supporter, but I found it reprehensible around the time of the election when people were openly speculating about whether he'd face an assassination attempt due to being the first minority president. But for the record, I want to point out that Al Davis is not a president, nor is he an institution like the presidency. He's a sports owner--a sub-segment of an institution [i.e., the NFL]--one who has experienced every veritable highest of the highs and lowest of the lows during his tenure. He's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and in many ways has been his own worst enemy. So with all due respect to him being an alum, the tangible contributions he's made to the program [and I'll leave it to the OPA's of the board to quantify what that represents], etc. -- in my opinion, the good doesn't outweigh the negative. I also want to point out that I didn't attend Syracuse University, so the carte blance argument that Davis's alumnus status trumps criticism doesn't work for me. And the last thing I want to point out is that I didn't "cheer" for anything bad to happen to Davis. Prior to today, I don't think I've ever made a post about Davis in my 15+ years on the various boards. [/QUOTE]

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