Roster eligibility breakdown

PhatOrange · Aug 1, 2012

OrangeXtreme · Aug 1, 2012

There's a question on Lou Alexander.

He was a JUCO in 2008 and 2009, and 2010 was a lost season for him.

I think his 5 year clock expires after 2012, making him a Senior eligibility wise.

If Jerome Smith files a hardship waiver for 2010, he could be reclassified as a RSoph.

Diabate is a Senior. 2 years at JUCO and he played here in 2011.

PhatOrange · Aug 1, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
There's a question on Lou Alexander.

He was a JUCO in 2008 and 2009, and 2010 was a lost season for him.

I think his 5 year clock expires after 2012, making him a Senior eligibility wise.

If Jerome Smith files a hardship waiver for 2010, he could be reclassified as a RSoph.

Diabate is a Senior. 2 years at JUCO and he played here in 2011.

Yes Diabate should be labeled a true senior.

J Smith and Flemming only played 2 games as frosh. Smith got hurt. I don't know how the NCAA works so I put them in their current respective eligibility class with what is known.

Lou Alexander - if Lou was in Juco in 2008 then his clock is up. I labeled him based on 5 years to play 4 - didn't notice he was at JUCO in '08.

OrangeXtreme · Aug 1, 2012

Since Smith played less than 4 games and missed the remainder of the season with an injury, he is eligible to file a hardship waiver with the NCAA which would wipe out 2010 for him. Same thing happened to Lavar Lobdell where he broke his wrist early in his freshman year, was granted the waiver, and he played 4 more years. Finally caught a TD in his last game too.

Flemming on the other hand is following the Johnnie Morant track. Only played 2 games as a frosh, and now he's a junior.

OttoinGrotto · Aug 1, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
Since Smith played less than 4 games and missed the remainder of the season with an injury, he is eligible to file a hardship waiver with the NCAA which would wipe out 2010 for him.

Wait, I thought Smith was already denied this?

OrangeXtreme · Aug 1, 2012

He may not have even applied yet. He has until next season.

We won't know until 2014 when he shows up on the roster as a 5th year senior.

BlackKnight76 · Aug 1, 2012

Excellent stuff

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tep624 · Aug 1, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
He may not have even applied yet. He has until next season.

We won't know until 2014 when he shows up on the roster as a 5th year senior.

I'd love to see him get another year, I think he's developed significantly over the last year and to get a 5th year senior year for him would be a big bonus to the program.

tep624 · Aug 1, 2012

PhatOrange said:
Eligibility Year | Player | NOTES

True Freshman | Ashton Brold | spring ball
True Freshman | Wayne Morgan |
True Freshman | Dontez Ford |
True Freshman | Julian Whigham |
True Freshman | Myles Davis |
True Freshman | George Morris |
True Freshman | Devante McFarlane |
True Freshman | Ryan Norton |
True Freshman | Omari Palmer |
True Freshman | Marcus Coleman |
True Freshman | Kyle Knapp |
True Freshman | Jason Emerich |
True Freshman | Ron Thompson |
True Freshman | Alvin Cornelius |
True Freshman | Ben Lewis |
True Freshman | Josh Parris |
True Freshman | James Washington |
True Freshman | Josh Manley |
True Freshman | Ben Barrett |

Redshirt Freshman | Durrell Eskridge |
Redshirt Freshman | Terrell Hunt |
Redshirt Freshman | Oliver Vigille |
Redshirt Freshman | Shu Mungwa |
Redshirt Freshman | Keenan Hale |
Redshirt Freshman | Jaston George |
Redshirt Freshman | Donnie Simmons |
Redshirt Freshman | Robert Trudo |
Redshirt Freshman | Ryan Sloan |
Redshirt Freshman | Nick Robinson |
Redshirt Freshman | Ivan Foy |
Redshirt Freshman | Kris Curtis |
Redshirt Freshman | Lou Addazio |
Redshirt Freshman | Kyle Foster | taking redshirt this season - injury

Redshirt Sophomore | John Kinder |
Redshirt Sophomore | Sean Hickey |
Redshirt Sophomore | Max Beaulieu |
Redshirt Sophomore | Jarrod West |
Redshirt Sophomore | Rob Welsh |
Redshirt Sophomore | Micah Robinson |

True Sophomore | Brando Reddish |
True Sophomore | Richy Desir |
True Sophomore | Jeremiah Kobena |
True Sophomore | Adonis Moore |
True Sophomore | Dyshawn Davis |
True Sophomore | Cameron Lynch |
True Sophomore | Jon Fisher |
True Sophomore | Sam Rodgers |
True Sophomore | Eric Crume |

Redshirt Junior | Ri'Shard Anderson |
Redshirt Junior | Charlie Loeb |
Redshirt Junior | Ryan Lichenstein |
Redshirt Junior | Andrew Phillips |
Redshirt Junior | Justin Pugh |
Redshirt Junior | Lou Alexander | JUCO 2nd year at SU - redshirted 1st year

True Junior | Keon Lyn |
True Junior | Marquis Spruill |
True Junior | Siriki Diabate | JUCO - 2nd year SU player
True Junior | Adrian Flemming | played 2 games as freshman
True Junior | Prince Tyson Gulley |
True Junior | Jeremy Wilkes |
True Junior | Steve Rene |
True Junior | Ross Krautman |
True Junior | Lewellyn Coker |
True Junior | Jerome Smith | played 2 games as freshman - injured
True Junior | Mackey McPherson |
True Junior | Beckett Wales |
True Junior | Jay Bromley |
True Junior | Zian Jones | JUCO - 1st year SU play has redshirt avail
True Junior | Markus Brewster | JUCO - 1st year SU play has redshirt avail

True Senior | Alec Lemon |
True Senior | Carl Cutler | Would likely get 6th year medical hardship
True Senior | Zach Chibane |
True Senior | Brandon Sharpe |
True Senior | Shamarko Thomas |

5th year Senior | Marcus Sales |
5th year Senior | Ryan Nassib |
5th year Senior | Deon Goggins | JUCO - 3rd year SU player
5th year Senior | Dan Vaughan |
5th year Senior | Corey Boatman |
5th year Senior | David Stevens |

So if Morris is out - which who the hell knows what is going on with him - that would make 18 true frosh, 14 RF, 6 RS, 9 true Soph, 5 RS Jr, 15 true Jr, 1 RS Sr, 6 true Sr, and 6 5th years. Total of 80. So we would have 5 schollies open right now if Morris doesn't make it, 4 if he does. Add Raymon, and the late DL and WR JUCO transfers, and that would leave 1 spot open if Morris does make it and 2 if he doesn't.

Wonder if there will be any other late additions before camp starts...paging Charles Davis, Quinta Funderburke, or PSU players

PhatOrange · Aug 1, 2012

I updated Alexander and Diabate.

For you excel users I made this pipe delimited so you can put it into excel and format it.

If you don't know excel here are the directions:

*Paste it into excel
*highlight column A
*click data tab at the top
*click text to columns
*click delimited choice, click next
*check the 'other' button and put in a pipe shown here - | (pipe is shift and the button above enter | \ )
*click next and then finish

*highlight entire doc by clicking top left corner next to A and above row 1
*then double click the line between colums A and B. (this should make the columns nice and neat)

OrangeXtreme · Aug 1, 2012

tep624 said:
So if Morris is out - which who the hell knows what is going on with him - that would make 18 true frosh, 14 RF, 6 RS, 9 true Soph, 5 RS Jr, 15 true Jr, 1 RS Sr, 6 true Sr, and 6 5th years. Total of 80. So we would have 5 schollies open right now if Morris doesn't make it, 4 if he does. Add Raymon, and the late DL and WR JUCO transfers, and that would leave 1 spot open if Morris does make it and 2 if he doesn't.

Wonder if there will be any other late additions before camp starts...paging Charles Davis, Quinta Funderburke, or PSU players

I think you miscounted.

There are 80 names listed (counting Morris). Should be 5 open scholarships, or 6 if Morris doesn't make it.

Add in Clark, Raymon, and Walls and we're at 83 if everyone shows up Saturday.

billsin01 · Aug 2, 2012

PhatOrange said:
Eligibility Year | Player | NOTES

Redshirt Freshman|Durrell Eskridge|
Redshirt Freshman | Terrell Hunt |
Redshirt Freshman | Oliver Vigille |
Redshirt Freshman | Shu Mungwa |
Redshirt Freshman | Keenan Hale |
Redshirt Freshman | Jaston George |
Redshirt Freshman | Donnie Simmons |
Redshirt Freshman | Robert Trudo |
Redshirt Freshman | Ryan Sloan |
Redshirt Freshman | Nick Robinson |
Redshirt Freshman | Ivan Foy |
Redshirt Freshman | Kris Curtis |
Redshirt Freshman | Lou Addazio |
Redshirt Freshman | Kyle Foster | taking redshirt this season - injury
Total: 14

True Sophomore | Brando Reddish |
True Sophomore | Richy Desir |
True Sophomore | Jeremiah Kobena |
True Sophomore | Adonis Moore |
True Sophomore | Dyshawn Davis |
True Sophomore | Cameron Lynch |
True Sophomore | Jon Fisher |
True Sophomore | Sam Rodgers |
True Sophomore | Eric Crume |
Total: 9

Redshirt Sophomore|John Kinder|
Redshirt Sophomore | Sean Hickey |
Redshirt Sophomore | Max Beaulieu |
Redshirt Sophomore | Jarrod West |
Redshirt Sophomore | Rob Welsh |
Redshirt Sophomore | Micah Robinson |
Total: 6

True Junior | Keon Lyn |
True Junior | Marquis Spruill |
True Junior | Adrian Flemming | played 2 games as freshman
True Junior | Prince Tyson Gulley |
True Junior | Jeremy Wilkes |
True Junior | Steve Rene |
True Junior | Ross Krautman |
True Junior | Lewellyn Coker |
True Junior | Jerome Smith | played 2 games as freshman - injured
True Junior | Mackey McPherson |
True Junior | Beckett Wales |
True Junior | Jay Bromley |
Total: 12

I'm not 100% sure how accurate this is, but I love the research and am waaaaaayyyyyyyy too lazy to do it on my own.

Going by this, what I love is the thing that jumps out the most -- as the classes get younger, the percentage of redshirts begins to climb.I threw out the seniors/redshirt juniors since it was clearly a transition class and tough to judge.

But if you look at the '10 class vs. the '11 class, the difference is pretty telling.

The '10 class saw 12 of 18 recruits currently on the roster play as true frosh. Of the 12 that played, my arbitrary judgment is that only Spruill and Lyn were truly ready to contribute in any meaningful way to a solid BCS program. Everyone else probably could have benefited from a redshirt.

Fast-forward to '11, last year's class's first year on campus, and just 9 of 23 freshmen played. Instead of 66.6%, that's less than 40%. And, of the nine who played, Crume forced his way onto the field and you're not likely to redshirt specialists (fisher and Rodgers). So that's really only six guys who played that probably could have benefited from an RS year. But if you figure you're rarely going to redshirt an entire class and some will have to contribute on specials and in backup roles each season, it would seem to suggest that we're finally building more legitimate depth.

Are we there yet? No, but it certainly feels like we're beyond the days of having half the freshman class running around on game day when it's clear they could use more time to develop.

tep624 · Aug 2, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
I think you miscounted.

There are 80 names listed (counting Morris). Should be 5 open scholarships, or 6 if Morris doesn't make it.

Add in Clark, Raymon, and Walls and we're at 83 if everyone shows up Saturday.

Guess that's what being a CPA gets me, I can't count lol.

Kind of sucks though that USC, LSU, FSU, Texas, NC St, and Rutgers can find a need for PSU players, yet the 5-7 team 4 hours north can't with roster spots open.

PhatOrange · Aug 2, 2012

billsin01 said:
I'm not 100% sure how accurate this is, but I love the research and am waaaaaayyyyyyyy too lazy to do it on my own.

May not be 100 but it's darn close. I went through the roster at su athletics and looked at every player's bio. If there was a year a kid didn't play i gave him a redshirt.

OrangeXtreme · Aug 2, 2012

I guess the Morris question has been answered:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2012/8/2/3215574/syracuse-daily-links-catching-up-with-rakeem-christmas

SUFan44 · Aug 2, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
I guess the Morris question has been answered:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2012/8/2/3215574/syracuse-daily-links-catching-up-with-rakeem-christmas

Some people are ridiculously paranoid. (And I'm not aiming this at you)

Doug has said he expected everyone to be on campus except Hilliard. Why not take him at his word?

OrangeXtreme · Aug 2, 2012

Doug can't talk about the kids until they officially enroll.

His HS coach, on the other hand, can fill in the gaps.

nemegnaroog · Aug 2, 2012

SUFan44 said:
Some people are ridiculously paranoid. (And I'm not aiming this at you)

Doug has said he expected everyone to be on campus except Hilliard. Why not take him at his word?

Refering to Funderburke, "I'll believe it when i see it." I'm dreading Monday's presser. Marrone will give his stupid response, "from our standpoint all i can say is that he is not with the team, and because he is not with the team i am not able to talk about his situation, and before today I wasn't able to talk about his situation because he wasn't enrolled or part of this team. So from your standpoint you now understand where we are at from our standpoint with the entire standpoint of where we're at and where he is at in his standpoint... So, no he does not exist, You nor I can talk about him because I said so. @&% the fans and the media. My Show my rules! I'll answer what I want to answer and if I don't like it, I simply will say I can't talk about it because of some BS rule i made up.

Chip · Aug 2, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
Since Smith played less than 4 games and missed the remainder of the season with an injury, he is eligible to file a hardship waiver with the NCAA which would wipe out 2010 for him. Same thing happened to Lavar Lobdell where he broke his wrist early in his freshman year, was granted the waiver, and he played 4 more years. Finally caught a TD in his last game too.

Flemming on the other hand is following the Johnnie Morant track. Only played 2 games as a frosh, and now he's a junior.

Flemming's burn was worth it. RU couldn't cover him on a sure TD, so he drew a PI that eventually put our first TD on the board (if I recall correctly).

That was definitely better than Morant blocking on a play during a rainstorm at the end of an already lost game at ECU in 2000.

CaliCuse · Aug 2, 2012

OrangeXtreme said:
There's a question on Lou Alexander.

He was a JUCO in 2008 and 2009, and 2010 was a lost season for him.

I think his 5 year clock expires after 2012, making him a Senior eligibility wise.

If Jerome Smith files a hardship waiver for 2010, he could be reclassified as a RSoph.

Diabate is a Senior. 2 years at JUCO and he played here in 2011.

Keeping track of eligibility and options sounds like a huge responsibility on someone in the AD.

Crusty · Aug 2, 2012

Excellent stuff - thanks. I made a pivot table and got what tep624 posted except that Morris makes 19 true frosh total =80.

OrangeXtreme · Aug 2, 2012

CaliCuse said:
Keeping track of eligibility and options sounds like a huge responsibility on someone in the AD.

All they have to do is ask me.

My chart is even color coded.

Crusty · Aug 2, 2012

Am I correct in assuming that since we have 80 and have 13 graduating that we can add 18 in this class? Seems like a lot.

nemegnaroog · Aug 3, 2012

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